6765 Forward Facing Manifold Round #2 - Page 3

ericblackevo8 · Sep 8, 2009, 09:07 PM

Thanks for the heads up Mike...I appreciate your input. I also have a few questions about an 8 injector intake manifold.

I will shoot you a pm.

less10 · Sep 9, 2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports

You need to run the car at the track with and without the filter.. Thats how youll see the gains.. as for losing only 5hp.. whoever said that has no clue about what they are talking about.. they are guessing and are wrong..

Mike

I did a pull with my hood closed on the dyno on a k series car I had, with a filter on. Then did a pull with it open without a filter...want to guess the outcome!

Your right mike no clue what im talking about.

Mike@AwdMotorsports · Sep 9, 2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by less10

I did a pull with my hood closed on the dyno on a k series car I had, with a filter on. Then did a pull with it open without a filter...want to guess the outcome!

Your right mike no clue what im talking about.

Do a pull down the track with the hood open.. then tell me the results..

Your right, i dont know what i am talking about..

less10 · Sep 9, 2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports

Do a pull down the track with the hood open.. then tell me the results..

Your right, i dont know what i am talking about..

Sure the mph will change 5-7mph, but its not a drag car. Its going to be on the street with spirited driving. And yes on the dyno it will only change minimally. So its cool to have the filter off and damage a wheel because its going to go 5mph faster on the street wow sounds like a winner winner chicken dinner to me.

Dont you have some selling to be doing, or just some whining?

less10 · Sep 23, 2009, 03:04 PM

Here is some updates. Time for a tune soon and I think were gonna get to start it up and do a little heat treatment lol

Down pipe clearance, just gotta turn your head!!

raiceboi697 · Sep 23, 2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by less10

Sure the mph will change 5-7mph, but its not a drag car. Its going to be on the street with spirited driving. And yes on the dyno it will only change minimally. So its cool to have the filter off and damage a wheel because its going to go 5mph faster on the street wow sounds like a winner winner chicken dinner to me.

Dont you have some selling to be doing, or just some whining?

as someone who drives a FF turbo kit everyday on the street i think i can say that this kind of set up with no filter is completely safe if you want it to be. if you tailgate a truck thats throwing rocks from its rear wheels then its your stupidity, just like if you want to drive in a downpour. if you ask any good tuner once the car is tuned on the dyno they will take the car on the street and make some fine tuning because the dyno enviroment dosent change like the outside world does. ive had my turbo for over 3 months now with a trip to ohio for the shootout and PA to sell my old cage and my turbo is just fine. or talk to the guys at STM, they drove the ricer for over a year with the first FF turbo kit without a issue. as to the comment about"spirited" driving, if you are driving like that on the street with anything modded this much your asking for trouble IMO. also to the OP those are some real drastic bends right off the flange for that manifold which will give you some high EGTs

but what does mike@ AWD motorsports or emery@STM know, one has the first street evo 8 in the 8s and the other has the fastest stock block evo record for the last year...

dsm25psi · Sep 23, 2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by less10

Edit:: nevermind not getting into a debate with you. Thanks for all your concern.

thats what he said about ETS FF kit too lol, but nice looking kit, looks great

less10 · Sep 23, 2009, 09:29 PM

Well since you want to stand behind your 90* bend being a sharp bend, then how about all these manifolds? Are all these companies horrible builders as well?

I know i cant get alot of pics, but there are things that would impede flow way more than a 90* bend off the head flange. One thing is a huge collector angle, and what about equal length? I see a few manifolds that are not equal length and seam to be half the length of the runners that are on the manifolds I have helped eric build.

raiceboi697 · Sep 24, 2009, 05:34 AM

i do enjoy seeing my car brought into this, and i can say the pic dont do the gap justice on mine as i can fit my hand all the way down to the flange and the bend is no where near as drastic as a from the top picture makes it out to be. now if that is the case then i gladly retract that bit of my statement. as for the full race manifold, a twin scroll set up will draw the exhaust pulses away in a different fashion then a single scroll, but on there one runner i do think that it is to drastic of a up bend, i also dont see the need or huge gains of twin scroll, thou that is not the conversation we are having at the moment but i would be more then willing to share my opinion on that in private. as for the ETS & peakboost top mount kits, those bends both use that style to let the turbo breath more efficiently at the top end and those bends go down which will actually help the exhaust gasses power the turbo. as for senior bushurs kit, there is no drastic bend there. you can probably fit to small Asian children in the space between the head and the runner. the welds do look awesome thou!

dsm25psi · Sep 24, 2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by raiceboi697

i do enjoy seeing my car brought into this, and i can say the pic dont do the gap justice on mine as i can fit my hand all the way down to the flange and the bend is no where near as drastic as a from the top picture makes it out to be. now if that is the case then i gladly retract that bit of my statement. as for the full race manifold, a twin scroll set up will draw the exhaust pulses away in a different fashion then a single scroll, but on there one runner i do think that it is to drastic of a up bend, i also dont see the need or huge gains of twin scroll, thou that is not the conversation we are having at the moment but i would be more then willing to share my opinion on that in private. as for the ETS & peakboost top mount kits, those bends both use that style to let the turbo breath more efficiently at the top end and those bends go down which will actually help the exhaust gasses power the turbo. as for senior bushurs kit, there is no drastic bend there. you can probably fit to small Asian children in the space between the head and the runner. the welds do look awesome thou!

lol u are funny, look at STM pic and ETS, the 2 middle runners coming off the flange on both kits look the same "same bends" your STM pics got 3 90* bend to where ETS only got 2 and you still talk ****.

dsm25psi · Sep 24, 2009, 12:59 PM

less10 nice kit again, he just doesn't want to realize that his stm kit uses the same bends coming off the flange ass you do.

less10 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:37 PM

Yup its all 90*'s my friends no short radius ones, no cheater cuts...all natural!!!

Oh and I bet my runners are equal length and longer!!!

whitepwr · Oct 21, 2009, 11:21 PM

I think some of you guys are getting carried away about horsepower numbers and track times and forgetting why they made it to fit a filter.. safety is the sole purpose behind adding a filter to the turbo. I don't make a $100,000 a year so if I just spent $1,500+ on a turbo I'd rather not see it grenade because a June Bug wasn't watching where it was going. The peace of mind that a small rock, water, or whatever else won't get into your turbo or motor is well worth the loss in performance IMO.

But then you could argue, "why put a FF kit on your car if you're going to run a filter?" Well I'm sure they won't be running a filter when they're racing it down the track or when they are headed out to race some local loud mouth over the weekend. But on the ride to work or to school who really cares if the car makes 650whp or 450whp.. lol

And I kind of agree with Mike. You aren't going to notice the difference on the dyno. You are going to notice the difference on the track. I would actually like to see someone who's a pretty consistent driver on the track run a FF kit with a filter and without a filter and see what his difference in times are, I'm just throwing a guess out there but I bet it'd be pretty substantial. That's just my .02 cents though.