Castrol SYntec

[shak]

Costco has 6L for 39$ not a bad buy.

[homieG]

^ reminds me, its time to get an oil change! haha thanks!

thats not bad at all. im guessing its not full synthetic. any amsoil for sale?

[shak]

Originally Posted by homieG

^ reminds me, its time to get an oil change! haha thanks!

thats not bad at all. im guessing its not full synthetic. any amsoil for sale?

it's full syntec, in the black jugs. I'm not due for another 3k, but i picked up 2 cases . no amsoil.

[WoW]

Originally Posted by shak

it's full syntec, in the black jugs. I'm not due for another 3k, but i picked up 2 cases . no amsoil.

No, actually, it's not synthetic.

[Liquid Gold]

Originally Posted by homieG

thats not bad at all. im guessing its not full synthetic.

Originally Posted by WoW

No, actually, it's not synthetic.

Both ar correct here.

Castrol SynTec is allowed to call itself Synthetic by law. It is actually a Group III Hydro-Cracked product..

You even have to be careful with Mobil-1. Mobil 1 is a company and produces mostly petroleum products.

Mobil 1 Extended Peformance is as close as your going to get to a "Full" Synthetic and even that is coming back from Analysis a a Hydro-Cracked product..

LG

[evo_soul]

I am going to pretend i understand what is being talked about..
In the mean time... we all drive $25,000 cars... and I am sure we are not going to be driving our cars to the limit trying to break down oil.

[WoW]

Originally Posted by evo_soul

I am going to pretend i understand what is being talked about..
In the mean time... we all drive $25,000 cars... and I am sure we are not going to be driving our cars to the limit trying to break down oil.

Then why do some of those who drive $25,000 cars use Amsoil, Royal Purple, Motul and other top shelf brands? Why don't you all' just stick with conventional oil then (like the Castrol Syntec)

I'm not getting what you're trying to say.

Doesn't matter what kinda car you drive, protection from sludge build up is always good. 'When conventional oil oxidises, the additives separate from the oil and begin to chemically break down and solidify, leading to the baked-on oil deposits turning gelatinous, and that nasty compound is what is lovingly referred to nowadays as sludge.'

/tread.

[Liquid Gold]

Originally Posted by WoW

Then why do some of those who drive $25,000 cars use Amsoil, Royal Purple, Motul and other top shelf brands? Why don't you all' just stick with conventional oil then (like the Castrol Syntec)

I'm not getting what you're trying to say.

Doesn't matter what kinda car you drive, protection from sludge build up is always good. 'When conventional oil oxidises, the additives separate from the oil and begin to chemically break down and solidify, leading to the baked-on oil deposits turning gelatinous, and that nasty compound is what is lovingly referred to nowadays as sludge.'

/tread.

You are correct.

Especially when driving a Turbo car, you should run the Best you can. That Turbo heats and tears down the oil along with adding to a high amount of fuel dilution..

A Turbo cooks the oil and it begins to "Coke" in the Turbo and the oil supply line slowly causing Turbo Failure by starving it for lubrication.

Sludge buildup contaminates the entire engine and begins to restrict the oil passages.

A Premium Synthetic is the way to go.. Doesn't pay to be cheap.

Oil, is the Life Blood of your engine. The Oil Filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

$25,000 car ? You haven't looked at the price of a new EVO... LOL

Regardless, $2500, $25,000 or $250,000.. The car requires proper maintenance and the longevity and cost of repairs are Directly Related to Maintenance.

My old work van with over 350,000 miles on it and, no internal engine repairs,
still gets AMSOIL SSO and the AMSOIL EA Filter.. Probably why it has 350K on it and don't burn oil.

LG

[evo_soul]

Originally Posted by WoW

Then why do some of those who drive $25,000 cars use Amsoil, Royal Purple, Motul and other top shelf brands? Why don't you all' just stick with conventional oil then (like the Castrol Syntec)

I'm not getting what you're trying to say.

Doesn't matter what kinda car you drive, protection from sludge build up is always good. 'When conventional oil oxidises, the additives separate from the oil and begin to chemically break down and solidify, leading to the baked-on oil deposits turning gelatinous, and that nasty compound is what is lovingly referred to nowadays as sludge.'

/tread.

My point is.... two things kill oil, Heat and Time. The standards of the oil industry as well as what is demanded by Auto Manufacturers are met with all oils. And within the last few years maybe the last 10. Even the no name brand oil has a similar or same formulation as standard convensionals and blends.

Where the problem is... in the synthetic realm. There are those out there that keep the debate alive of which oil is best, which is one that willout last the other if you dont change the oil for 100,000km in the middle of an desert in first gear. That said its a good test. But there are more situations to life that people dont consider.

Driving habits, Idling habits, when it comes to non conversional oil changes the frequency of oil changes matter. Also in the past doing motor oil flushes were popular.

The point of what I was getting at WOW is... you honestly need to be a Chemical Engineer or you need to be a 24 / 7 Track racer or pit crew, or a shop thats been around for a long time... etc....

Everyone else I think is just not qualified... to definitively say, this one vs. that one. I rather look at the fact that they pass certification. I could use my own example and say. I use Extended Performance Mobil 1 Oil in the Honda and Mazda I have... I change my oil every 25,000km and top it up at the 75% point to ensure it doesn't run low (normal oil consumption.) Why i use that oil, because they recommend it for long service intervals. Cars run like a dream and have emissions tests out of this world. How much a impact has my oil made... for sure some impact. but there are so many other factors that go into a car. Maybe saying the average guy is not qualified is harsh... their experience does count for something. But the average guy sees oil once every 5000km some every 12,000. With the average guy, there are still alot of myths and mis information out there that has to be combated about oil in general.

What I do find cool is some of the stuff employed by companies when they engineer their oil on a synthetic level to offer premium protection.

But for this thread... its comes down to brand. some perfer one oil over another... I get that... but we need to keep perspective that all oils meet the industry standard and have their own proprietary formulation for getting there.

[Liquid Gold]

Unfortunately, some oils do not meet industry standards, some are not what they say they are for Viscosity, and some break down much sooner than others.

Royal Purple 10W-40 for instance shears to a 30 wgt in the first sequence of a 3 sequence test.

Mobil 1 EP is a good oil but people think that by just buying Mobil 1, they are buying a Synthetic. Mobil 1 is a company that produces mostly petroleum products. You need to buy the EP to be as close to a Synthetic as possible.

LG

[laksman91]

I heard German Castrol is a full synthetic, I believe the 0W30 is the "made in germany" one?

[Liquid Gold]

Originally Posted by laksman91

I heard German Castrol is a full synthetic, I believe the 0W30 is the "made in germany" one?

Have heard the same thing, can't prove it but can't disprove it either. I can say that the specs on it still point to a Hydro-Cracked. Would like to see some Oil Analysis done by a quality lab such as Polaris but without a good control, even that can be disputed.

Remember, just because it is a Synthetic doesn't mean it is all that. Look at some of the synthetics that don't perform as expected.. RP, Torco, Redline, Eneos.

LG

[WoW]

Originally Posted by evo_soul

My point is.... two things kill oil, Heat and Time. The standards of the oil industry as well as what is demanded by Auto Manufacturers are met with all oils. And within the last few years maybe the last 10. Even the no name brand oil has a similar or same formulation as standard convensionals and blends.

Where the problem is... in the synthetic realm. There are those out there that keep the debate alive of which oil is best, which is one that willout last the other if you dont change the oil for 100,000km in the middle of an desert in first gear. That said its a good test. But there are more situations to life that people dont consider.

Driving habits, Idling habits, when it comes to non conversional oil changes the frequency of oil changes matter. Also in the past doing motor oil flushes were popular.

The point of what I was getting at WOW is... you honestly need to be a Chemical Engineer or you need to be a 24 / 7 Track racer or pit crew, or a shop thats been around for a long time... etc....

Everyone else I think is just not qualified... to definitively say, this one vs. that one. I rather look at the fact that they pass certification. I could use my own example and say. I use Extended Performance Mobil 1 Oil in the Honda and Mazda I have... I change my oil every 25,000km and top it up at the 75% point to ensure it doesn't run low (normal oil consumption.) Why i use that oil, because they recommend it for long service intervals. Cars run like a dream and have emissions tests out of this world. How much a impact has my oil made... for sure some impact. but there are so many other factors that go into a car. Maybe saying the average guy is not qualified is harsh... their experience does count for something. But the average guy sees oil once every 5000km some every 12,000. With the average guy, there are still alot of myths and mis information out there that has to be combated about oil in general.

What I do find cool is some of the stuff employed by companies when they engineer their oil on a synthetic level to offer premium protection.

But for this thread... its comes down to brand. some perfer one oil over another... I get that... but we need to keep perspective that all oils meet the industry standard and have their own proprietary formulation for getting there.

Where do i even begin with this... i'm not going to bother, as it wasn't even what the thread was about.

edit; Castrol Syntec is NOT synthetic it's a Group III Hydro-Cracked product. if you do not know what that means, go do some research, and come back when you have something helpful to contribute.
[cole's notes] Group III Hydro-Cracked products are made from the same stuff that conventional oil is refined from, it's NOT a synthetic oil.

...do i really have to tell you what makes a synthetic oil a synthetic oil?

But, You do realize that by not changing the oil for 25,000kms, you're also keeping the same oil filter for 25,000kms right? (way, way, way over useful life)

Oh sorry, missed one thing, why do i have to be a chemical engineer to care about my car again?

[evo_soul]

Originally Posted by WoW

Where do i even begin with this... i'm not going to bother, as it wasn't even what the thread was about.

edit; Castrol Syntec is NOT synthetic it's a Group III Hydro-Cracked product. if you do not know what that means, go do some research, and come back when you have something helpful to contribute.
[cole's notes] Group III Hydro-Cracked products are made from the same stuff that conventional oil is refined from, it's NOT a synthetic oil.

...do i really have to tell you what makes a synthetic oil a synthetic oil?

But, You do realize that by not changing the oil for 25,000kms, you're also keeping the same oil filter for 25,000kms right? (way, way, way over useful life)

Oh sorry, missed one thing, why do i have to be a chemical engineer to care about my car again?

*Begins a slow clap.

Seriously WoW why do you do it? you keep riding our club threads and trying to play gotcha tactics on just about everything... My first post in this thread,, and you quote me, and ignore what the original post is about. And ignore everything else thats going on...

If your going to pick a fight then just come right out and say it. You dont like my opinion thats fine... But knock off this trolling. I will answer your question.... VERY DIRECTLY... since you ignored most of my post and harp in on the strangest things. I know of the classes of oil. I didnt say anything about what Castrol Syntec is or is not.. It's AN OIL I DONT USE, so your right, I dont know what class of oil it is. As you can see by this thread , some are confused on if its a synthetic or not. thats fine.. thats what the thread is for, education

You come to my post and tell me I dont know what a Group 3 is. I dont use the brand, I dont read up on it. Since you ignored everything else and made a pretty dumb conclusion based on ..... well i have no idea..... re read my post, and wake me up when your done talking about none sense. lol and please tell me ,,, what makes a synthetic oil, a synthetic oil... no one asked you,,, but i am sure your going to reach into the coles notes like you just did and tell us anyway.

Oh and my personal favorite. I said I use Mobil EP on my two older cars.... and your telling me that 25,000 is just way to long... did it ever occur to you that its possible one may use an extended performance oil filter? lol lol no no no... that can be .. WoW knows whats best for me and all drivers everywhere.
Just an example... for the sake of reference. but Fram (loved by some, hated by others) sells an extended performance filter. http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/xtended-guard.php

and about the chemical engineer ... re read the whole thing again and try to understand the overall point I am trying to make.. lol

honestly... I really want you to carry this kinda thread chatting in the EVO X forums... I dare you... those guys wouldnt put up with it over there

[laksman91]

^ evo_soul: I don't see why you're trying to turn things around on WoW. He's just trying to share his knowledge with a bit of quirks. Don't need to try and make him an enemy or "banish" him from the club. As far as I know, anyone should be welcome in the car regardless of what they drive.