Evo IX EcuTek reflash results!!!!!!!!!
Oct 21, 2005, 06:39 PM
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Evo IX EcuTek reflash results!!!!!!!!!
Hello All,
Here are the results of the First Evo9 in the country being tuned on the EcuTek flash. Actually it is the only one in the country being tuned period.
This report will summorize 6 hours of work from stock pulls, to modified base mapping. Then to Cam timing changes to increase in boost pressure.
The EVO 9 powered by the Mivec VVT Head is tremendous.
Not only does it pull harder up top , it spools the turbo almost 1000 rpm quicker than its predescessor.
Here are the results!!!
This Sheet represents the stock base run at 225 WHP and 229 Foot pounds of torque. The comparison is with minor tuning in A/F and timing.
The results show an increase of 12 WHP and 18 FTLBS!
Bone stock with boost from 19psi tapering to 14psi. Both runs are with pump gas and at the same boost pressure.
The car is now at 236 WHP and 247 FTLBS of torque!!
Sheet number 2 is a comparison of our Cam timing changes to smoothen the curves and to make the car more linear thru the rpm band.
There were minor increases and the car is now at 237WHP and 251 FTLBS of torque.!!
The main difference is under the curve.
Sheet Number three just shows a comparision of the two runs. Baseline versus the FINAL tune for a base Evo9 at stock boost pressures. The final results are 12 WHP and an amazing22 FTLBS of torque at the same boost pressure.
THE AMAZING part is that the turbo spools up MUCH quicker and throttle response is tremendous.
Here are the results of the First Evo9 in the country being tuned on the EcuTek flash. Actually it is the only one in the country being tuned period.
This report will summorize 6 hours of work from stock pulls, to modified base mapping. Then to Cam timing changes to increase in boost pressure.
The EVO 9 powered by the Mivec VVT Head is tremendous.
Not only does it pull harder up top , it spools the turbo almost 1000 rpm quicker than its predescessor.
Here are the results!!!
This Sheet represents the stock base run at 225 WHP and 229 Foot pounds of torque. The comparison is with minor tuning in A/F and timing.
The results show an increase of 12 WHP and 18 FTLBS!
Bone stock with boost from 19psi tapering to 14psi. Both runs are with pump gas and at the same boost pressure.
The car is now at 236 WHP and 247 FTLBS of torque!!
Sheet number 2 is a comparison of our Cam timing changes to smoothen the curves and to make the car more linear thru the rpm band.
There were minor increases and the car is now at 237WHP and 251 FTLBS of torque.!!
The main difference is under the curve.
Sheet Number three just shows a comparision of the two runs. Baseline versus the FINAL tune for a base Evo9 at stock boost pressures. The final results are 12 WHP and an amazing22 FTLBS of torque at the same boost pressure.
THE AMAZING part is that the turbo spools up MUCH quicker and throttle response is tremendous.
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Oct 21, 2005, 06:47 PM
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Sheet Number 4 is the Final result and basetune for a an EVO9 at 23 psi tapering to 21
The results peak for themselves. 277 WHP and 297 FTLBS of torque!!!!!!!!!!
Sheet number 5 is a comparison of baseline versus 23psi
Sheet number 6 finally summarizes the three important runs with baseline vs. tuned stock boost and 23 psi.
The car is completely stock to the filter and exhaust. It has 22 miles on it. The only mod is with a MBC
Enjoy.
We are traveling across the US tuning the 9 and the 8, so if anyone is interested please feel free to contact us for scheduled dates. 856 495 2227
Thank you all for your time
Nick
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The results peak for themselves. 277 WHP and 297 FTLBS of torque!!!!!!!!!!
Sheet number 5 is a comparison of baseline versus 23psi
Sheet number 6 finally summarizes the three important runs with baseline vs. tuned stock boost and 23 psi.
The car is completely stock to the filter and exhaust. It has 22 miles on it. The only mod is with a MBC
Enjoy.
We are traveling across the US tuning the 9 and the 8, so if anyone is interested please feel free to contact us for scheduled dates. 856 495 2227
Thank you all for your time
Nick
Precision Dyno
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Oct 21, 2005, 06:49 PM
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I was wondering how did the infamouse MITEC hinder anything maybe it was just hype by Mitsubishi to try and keep people from tuning there Evo's. It seems so since you where able to do it it seems. Wow 1000 rpms sooner do you think it was the Mivec or the increased size of the compressor housing? Great results for stock!
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Oct 21, 2005, 07:35 PM
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This is amazing stuff. The power increase looks great. I find it interesting that more power was gained from the MBC increasing boost than from the tune itself. A few questions:
1) You say the turbo spooled 1000rpm earlier, but I am seeing peak torque at 3800 for the stock boost runs and 4200 on the 23psi run. This means that the turbo spools the same as before if not later, since peak torque is where the boost spikes. By this point it has spooled. On the OTHER hand, peak HP is being hit at 5600, which _IS_ 1000rpm earlier than previous years. I am guessing this is what you were referring to. It's not the turbo spooling, but rather the point at which the power is peaking. Interestingly, the power starts to taper down from this point all the way to 7000 (and beyond?)
2) That brings me to point #2 - any reason why you stopped at 7000? The rev limit is at 7600, and we typically don't see the power taper until after 6800 on the 03-05s, so we still have decent power at 7000-7500. It would have been nice to see how much of a dropoff there is between 7000-7500, since the power loss begins at 5800. The dropoff from 5800-7000 is only ~20hp, so it might continue to stay mostly flat until the rev limit.
3) Any idea why there was no knock from running 21-23psi? There doesn't appear to be any, because the power is FAT - seriously, the curves are just fat and juicy with power.
4) Wow, notice how drastic the boost taper/power loss is on the stock dyno. It falls off a cliff much earlier than 03-05s, but not nearly as much with the tune.
5) It looks like the shift points on IXs are going to be different. One one hand, you hit peak power at 5600, but on the other hand, you still have really nice power all the way to 7000...just not as much as at 5600. Hmm...
**Edit** Removed the "knock" assumption. I still don't understand why it peaks at 5600 on the 23psi run, but all of that will change with exhaust and other mods...if not, it will become more clear.
1) You say the turbo spooled 1000rpm earlier, but I am seeing peak torque at 3800 for the stock boost runs and 4200 on the 23psi run. This means that the turbo spools the same as before if not later, since peak torque is where the boost spikes. By this point it has spooled. On the OTHER hand, peak HP is being hit at 5600, which _IS_ 1000rpm earlier than previous years. I am guessing this is what you were referring to. It's not the turbo spooling, but rather the point at which the power is peaking. Interestingly, the power starts to taper down from this point all the way to 7000 (and beyond?)
2) That brings me to point #2 - any reason why you stopped at 7000? The rev limit is at 7600, and we typically don't see the power taper until after 6800 on the 03-05s, so we still have decent power at 7000-7500. It would have been nice to see how much of a dropoff there is between 7000-7500, since the power loss begins at 5800. The dropoff from 5800-7000 is only ~20hp, so it might continue to stay mostly flat until the rev limit.
3) Any idea why there was no knock from running 21-23psi? There doesn't appear to be any, because the power is FAT - seriously, the curves are just fat and juicy with power.
4) Wow, notice how drastic the boost taper/power loss is on the stock dyno. It falls off a cliff much earlier than 03-05s, but not nearly as much with the tune.
5) It looks like the shift points on IXs are going to be different. One one hand, you hit peak power at 5600, but on the other hand, you still have really nice power all the way to 7000...just not as much as at 5600. Hmm...
**Edit** Removed the "knock" assumption. I still don't understand why it peaks at 5600 on the 23psi run, but all of that will change with exhaust and other mods...if not, it will become more clear.
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How much of the gains and early spool can be attributed to the MIVEC and how much to the improved turbo?
I would be really curious to see an Evo VIII with the IX turbo!
I would be really curious to see an Evo VIII with the IX turbo!
Oct 21, 2005, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
This is amazing stuff. The power increase looks great. I find it interesting that more power was gained from the MBC increasing boost than from the tune itself. A few questions:
1) You say the turbo spooled 1000rpm earlier, but I am seeing peak torque at 3800 for the stock boost runs and 4200 on the 23psi run. This means that the turbo spools the same as before if not later, since peak torque is where the boost spikes. By this point it has spooled. On the OTHER hand, peak HP is being hit at 5600, which _IS_ 1000rpm earlier than previous years. I am guessing this is what you were referring to. It's not the turbo spooling, but rather the point at which the power is peaking. Interestingly, the power starts to taper down from this point all the way to 7000 (and beyond?)
2) That brings me to point #2 - any reason why you stopped at 7000? The rev limit is at 7600, and we typically don't see the power taper until after 6800 on the 03-05s, so we still have decent power at 7000-7500. It would have been nice to see how much of a dropoff there is between 7000-7500, since the power loss begins at 5800. The dropoff from 5800-7000 is only ~20hp, so it might continue to stay mostly flat until the rev limit.
3) Any idea why there was no knock from running 21-23psi? There doesn't appear to be any, because the power is FAT - seriously, the curves are just fat and juicy with power.
4) It looks like the shift points on IXs are going to be different. One one hand, you hit peak power at 5600, but on the other hand, you still have really nice power all the way to 7000...just not as much as at 5600. Hmm...
**Edit** I just noticed that peak HP was closer to 6400 on the stock boost runs. It appears that the 23psi run may have actually been seeing knock after 5600, because it hits peaks power then stops climbing like the previous 2 runs. If it were able to keep climbing up like the normal stock power curves, the peak hp would probably be more like 300. Did you actually see any knock, or am I just making stuff up? When comparing the curves, it looks like there was some...
1) You say the turbo spooled 1000rpm earlier, but I am seeing peak torque at 3800 for the stock boost runs and 4200 on the 23psi run. This means that the turbo spools the same as before if not later, since peak torque is where the boost spikes. By this point it has spooled. On the OTHER hand, peak HP is being hit at 5600, which _IS_ 1000rpm earlier than previous years. I am guessing this is what you were referring to. It's not the turbo spooling, but rather the point at which the power is peaking. Interestingly, the power starts to taper down from this point all the way to 7000 (and beyond?)
2) That brings me to point #2 - any reason why you stopped at 7000? The rev limit is at 7600, and we typically don't see the power taper until after 6800 on the 03-05s, so we still have decent power at 7000-7500. It would have been nice to see how much of a dropoff there is between 7000-7500, since the power loss begins at 5800. The dropoff from 5800-7000 is only ~20hp, so it might continue to stay mostly flat until the rev limit.
3) Any idea why there was no knock from running 21-23psi? There doesn't appear to be any, because the power is FAT - seriously, the curves are just fat and juicy with power.
4) It looks like the shift points on IXs are going to be different. One one hand, you hit peak power at 5600, but on the other hand, you still have really nice power all the way to 7000...just not as much as at 5600. Hmm...
**Edit** I just noticed that peak HP was closer to 6400 on the stock boost runs. It appears that the 23psi run may have actually been seeing knock after 5600, because it hits peaks power then stops climbing like the previous 2 runs. If it were able to keep climbing up like the normal stock power curves, the peak hp would probably be more like 300. Did you actually see any knock, or am I just making stuff up? When comparing the curves, it looks like there was some...
Good points made here.....
whats the optimal shift points for the 05's??
Oct 21, 2005, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
7100-7200 without cams. Higher with cams depending on 264/272/280, etc.
Thanks!
The point that you made about the absence of knock at 23 psi...
well, I'm guessing he's using at least 93-94 octane gas, plus at this time of year temps are cooler...so there should be less chance of knock. am I wrong?