Car Wreck Thread [SUPER MERGED] - Page 102

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 12:55 PM

What this guy did is the number one biggest mistake. Snatching the wheel when putting 2 wheels off. Never ever jerk the wheel to the opposite direction when putting 2 wheels off. I have put 2 wheels off many times and I have got control back.

That guy was serious noobie.

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EvoRapage

I dont know, but I can guarentee you doing that to me will earn you a Mushroom cap.

Heres my .02

The guy was driving beyond his limits from what the Lotus owner posted, saying that he had driven off track twice the day prior to the event. As someone else said, how did he lose it? He wasn't even at the turn yet. AWD is not idiot proof I do agree, and some people should just not be given the prvilage to drive such cars.

Bottom line, that movie made Baby Jesus cry.

He put 2 wheels off on the left side before the turn. I am sure there is some dip in there and he just got scared. If he just stayed straight he would have been fine. He snatched the wheel to the right and car gripped and went straight to the other side. Again this is number one mistake.

scorke · May 8, 2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by imajinmyfx

i bet thats some one from here who posted that.. haha. nice one!!

hope all goes well for the fellow mitsu owner. that would be harsh for anyone who has to deal with paying for all the damage

Hehe that was me, just had to let it out, especially because I am instructing an event at pocono in a little bit, just wanna prod the fire before I get to go out there.....

Scorke

2GDSM · May 8, 2006, 01:03 PM

Why would they stage the cars at that point in the track?

DCSilvrEvo · May 8, 2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 2GDSM

Why would they stage the cars at that point in the track?

Why not? Where else they going to do it? Plus from what I was seeing he shoulda flew across the grass on the opposite side of the staging lanes.

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 01:27 PM

That track is a Nasscar track with a weird road course in it. Crap track we might call it.

evo55 · May 8, 2006, 01:29 PM

This is the most disorganized HPDE. What the hell are those cars doing there? Showing off their cars?

BillAce · May 8, 2006, 01:49 PM

Pocono sux, It's close to home but the East course is pretty technical. THe pavement is very bumpy, many apexes are crumbled and if it rains the roadcourses flood. The runoff is so rutted from Cooter's RV that if you go off on a bike you or your bike should clear 15" of height no problem. This isn't Arizona, we get rain snow and temerature swings from 0-90. A good track will require a great deal of maintenance around here. Pocfono hosts NASCAR and could shut the place down the rest of the year if they wanted to. We take what we can get.

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 02:16 PM

Well here is how it goes.

These guys including the event organizer do not want to post the video or pics because of the following:

1- The EVO guy spun twice and he did no have a proper talk after. The EVO guy as I have gathered does not have an instructor although he screwed up many times during the day
2- The event organizer did a very bad job parking these cars out in the open like that.

This is not the pit for this track and it obviously that the Event organizer have chosen the wrong pit stop. The pit should be behind a jersey wall or very far from from turns on the track.

This is an easy case and many will get sued big time for. First the EVO guy will get sued to hell. Second the event organizer will get sued.
So the EVO guy gets sued by these poor guys who he hit and almost killed. The event organizer gets sued by the EVO guy.

Even if every party have signed on a release forum this is a big case and the most likely the NSX and G35 will get money. There is a mistake on the event organizer side and he did not apply all the safety that he should have. His release forums in this case with this video are as good as ashes.

BillAce · May 8, 2006, 02:27 PM

The cars that were hit were on the grid to enter the track. They were not in the pits or anywhere near it. The driver had an instructor in the car, one of the "spins" was an on track slide not a spin out and did not allow them to boot him for the second time. The bulletproof track waiver is signed directly to Pocono Raceway and you will not even get on the premesis if you don't sign it. This track has been run for over 15 years, their layout is what it is and they have no liability for the grid being next to the track, where would you put it? The pits are 1500' away and a chainlink fence seperates the two.

Any kind of wall or barrier will is concerned Pocono is pretty safe since we have air fence at the speedway wall.

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BillAce

The cars that were hit were on the grid to enter the track. They were not in the pits or anywhere near it. The driver had an instructor in the car, one of the "spins" was an on track slide not a spin out and did not allow them to boot him for the second time. The bulletproof track waiver is signed directly to Pocono Raceway and you will not even get on the premesis if you don't sign it. This track has been run for over 15 years, their layout is what it is and they have no liability for the grid being next to the track, where would you put it? The pits are 1500' away and a chainlink fence seperates the two.

Any kind of wall or barrier will is concerned Pocono is pretty safe since we have air fence at the speedway wall.

I guarantee you that in this event (regardless how many times it has been done before) had no safety measures. These cars were parked on an entrance of high turn. They are not even deep in the grass as the distance is very small. People could have died from this accident (if anyone was standing there). All the tracks I have been to have walls and barriers that protects people and cars from being hit directly just like Shenandoah and Watkins Glen track.

This inner course does not look safe to me in any way. The waiver is worthless if the safety steps have not been taken to start with. How could an event organizer let his customer park that close to a turn (I am speechless).

Did this evo guy have an instructor with him at the time of the crash? Because I see one guy going out of the car after the crash....

The video sums it up

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 02:41 PM

I just saw the video again. This guy had no instructor with him at the crash... Was he good enough to be solo?

a Spin is a spin whether its on the track or on the wall, same thing

Az3ar · May 8, 2006, 02:46 PM

I saw the video again... the guy that is tapping put 2 wheel off too!!!!!

he was very jerky and corrected his turns many times and I see no input from the instructor...

jcnel_evo8 · May 8, 2006, 03:14 PM

I'm glad people were extremely lucky and not hurt.

Focusing on the driving dynamics of the crash;
1.) Did this guy turn and brake at the same time causing a loose rear end accentuated by putting tires onto the grass?
2.) Followed by panicing and keeping his foot on the brake causing a ...
3.) Decreasing radius slide coupled with ...
4.) Continued RH steering input allowing the EVO to continue to rotate more?

Curious,
~j.

jonboy_4x · May 8, 2006, 03:35 PM

wow, good luck to reading the above statement,lol..