evolutionm.net - Home of the Lancer Evolution
Home Features Community Marketplace Registry Garage

Go Back   evolutionm.net > Competition > Motor Sports
New! Use your Facebook, Google, AIM & Yahoo accounts to securely log into this site, click logo to login  

Welcome to EvolutionM.net!
Welcome to EvolutionM.net.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Oct 20, 2009, 12:36 PM   #1
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (12)
 
george3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Allentown, PA USA
Posts: 198

Drives: EVO VIII

Which Rear Wing: 60" or 67" wide ??

As I develop my track car for road racing, gain more power
and more grip, I'm seeing I'm lacking in rear downforce and
the stock oem rear wing is beginning to feel inadequate.

I'm considering an aftermarket carbon fiber rear wing.
Since many of you already have these on your cars,
I was wondering which are the better performing rear wings?

Is the 60" or 67" width better and why?
Is there a recommended riser height?

Thanks
__________________
Evo 8 . . .
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 12:45 PM   #2
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (0)
 
bradze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: yelm, wa
Posts: 121

Drives: '08 RR EVO MR

get a apr gtc-300 or something similar. you want it mounted right along the roofline, but it all depends on your sanctioning body's rules for building the car.
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 12:49 PM   #3
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (12)
 
george3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Allentown, PA USA
Posts: 198

Drives: EVO VIII

I'm told the larger wings will actually create more drag on the straights.
Is there a wing width size trade-off?
__________________
Evo 8 . . .
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 01:11 PM   #4
Newbie
Personal Sales Rating: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Renton, Washington
Posts: 77

Drives: 2006 IX SE

Quote:
Originally Posted by george3 View Post
I'm told the larger wings will actually create more drag on the straights.
Is there a wing width size trade-off?
The bigger wing can make more down force but drag goes up with the square of the downforce. Increasing wing span mitigates this somewhat, but generally more downforce=more drag.

But for a given amount of wing down force, a larger span wing will generally make less drag. But it will weigh more, so there's another trade.
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 01:57 PM   #5
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (12)
 
george3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Allentown, PA USA
Posts: 198

Drives: EVO VIII

Interesting.

So what is the "ideal" wing span for an Evo for road racing ??

Inotherwords, what are you guys using?
__________________
Evo 8 . . .
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 02:00 PM   #6
Evolved Member
Personal Sales Rating: (25)
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
 
BlackTrack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 1,907

Drives: Evo X

Check out www.aeromotions.com

Proper aero.
__________________
2009 Race Season Website:
www.Gates311.com
Flickr


Prepared by:
AMS Performance
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 02:07 PM   #7
Evolved Member
Personal Sales Rating: (0)
 
bchappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: VEGAS
Posts: 598

Drives: Evo 8

mike@Kognition has a airfoil that he bought off a Formula one team, he then adapted it to to our humble little track cars.
It is actually the wing that JC Meynet is running.

- other rules that apply... the closer to the roofline the better (actually with a single element you want .70-1.0 of the cord length, a non-stalled diffuser, and that will give you the best downforce.)
-mounting points to the chassis are substantially better then the trunklid.
__________________
{GSC}{enkei}{swift}{ferodo}{20psiMR}{ROBIspec///}{KW}
Eddie says:
it is fun to passenge with you

Brandon says:
well trust me I just turned the log ride into the tower of terror....

Eddie says:
lmfao

Last edited by bchappy; Oct 20, 2009 at 02:28 PM.
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 02:20 PM   #8
Evolved Member
Personal Sales Rating: (48)
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
 
jid2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Redmond - Lake Tapps ,WA
Posts: 2,368

Drives: 03 EVO VIII White

It really depends on how much force you can create up front. You need to be able to balance the rear wing - otherwise you push down the back at the cost of raising the front.
__________________
jid2 Built: Now featuring E85 super fuel
2.3L - GT3076R .63A/R, ETS equal length, Kelford 272's, BC valve springs, 1mm O/S valves, FIC BM 1450's, Full-Blown dual Walbros, Buschur IC, jid2 intake, airbox, IC pipes, APS BOV, TBE, ACT HDSS, Stock ECU, 28 psi 466hp/420 ft-lb...
Build Thread

Binary Lowered Recaro Seats, Girodisc 2-Piece, brake ducting, ST43's, SS lines and ATE Superblue, KW V3's 8K/10K, jid2 flat-bottom, adjustable splitter and aero, 18x9.5 +40 NT03's 265/18/35 BFG R1's
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 20, 2009, 03:50 PM   #9
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (12)
 
george3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Allentown, PA USA
Posts: 198

Drives: EVO VIII

My front has an APR carbon fiber front splitter.

__________________
Evo 8 . . .
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 21, 2009, 08:25 AM   #10
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (12)
 
george3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Allentown, PA USA
Posts: 198

Drives: EVO VIII

Anybody wanna go out on a limb with a recommended wing span for me?
__________________
Evo 8 . . .
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 21, 2009, 08:35 AM   #11
Silver Sponsor
Personal Sales Rating: (40)
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
My Garage
 
KevinD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,812

Drives: '04 evo8 daily driver, '03 evo8 time attack car, 08 outlander

Send a message via AIM to KevinD
i beleive the 67 requires widebody fenders? correct me if i'm wrong. and the wings are never allowed to be outside the width of the car.
__________________
EVOLUTION DYNAMICS LLC
Tuning, Custom Fabrication, and installs in the DFW area.
www.evodynamics.com
email: evokevin@gmail.com
Phone + Text messages: 817-776-2170
Kelford, mil.spec, ACT, Aquamist, FIC, ShepTrans, Zeitronix, + many others


Evo Dynamics Unlimited Time Attack Build

3-Port PnP Boost controllers for Evo 8/9/X and RA

Join us on FaceBook!






Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 21, 2009, 09:30 AM   #12
Evolved Member
Personal Sales Rating: (48)
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
 
jid2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Redmond - Lake Tapps ,WA
Posts: 2,368

Drives: 03 EVO VIII White

I'd go with the Aeromotions R2 Static. Cool company, made in the USA, adjustable. They have an EVO model. Roughly $1700.

http://aeromotions.com/products/r-series/
__________________
jid2 Built: Now featuring E85 super fuel
2.3L - GT3076R .63A/R, ETS equal length, Kelford 272's, BC valve springs, 1mm O/S valves, FIC BM 1450's, Full-Blown dual Walbros, Buschur IC, jid2 intake, airbox, IC pipes, APS BOV, TBE, ACT HDSS, Stock ECU, 28 psi 466hp/420 ft-lb...
Build Thread

Binary Lowered Recaro Seats, Girodisc 2-Piece, brake ducting, ST43's, SS lines and ATE Superblue, KW V3's 8K/10K, jid2 flat-bottom, adjustable splitter and aero, 18x9.5 +40 NT03's 265/18/35 BFG R1's
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 21, 2009, 01:29 PM   #13
Evolved Member
Personal Sales Rating: (0)
 
bchappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: VEGAS
Posts: 598

Drives: Evo 8

I would also mount that splitter to the chassis
__________________
{GSC}{enkei}{swift}{ferodo}{20psiMR}{ROBIspec///}{KW}
Eddie says:
it is fun to passenge with you

Brandon says:
well trust me I just turned the log ride into the tower of terror....

Eddie says:
lmfao
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 21, 2009, 01:32 PM   #14
Evolving Member
Personal Sales Rating: (12)
 
george3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Allentown, PA USA
Posts: 198

Drives: EVO VIII

I'm thinking to get the APR GTC300 61" wing.

How would you mount the wing to the chasiss?
Would the same oem mounting holes be used
and just extra supports underneath?
__________________
Evo 8 . . .
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 28, 2009, 04:03 PM   #15
Evolved Member
Personal Sales Rating: (48)
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
 
jid2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Redmond - Lake Tapps ,WA
Posts: 2,368

Drives: 03 EVO VIII White

I've been emailing the guys at Aeromotions, their EVO VIII fixed wing is 65" wide with a 10.2" cord, mounts can be 10" or 12" tall. This is what I would do.
__________________
jid2 Built: Now featuring E85 super fuel
2.3L - GT3076R .63A/R, ETS equal length, Kelford 272's, BC valve springs, 1mm O/S valves, FIC BM 1450's, Full-Blown dual Walbros, Buschur IC, jid2 intake, airbox, IC pipes, APS BOV, TBE, ACT HDSS, Stock ECU, 28 psi 466hp/420 ft-lb...
Build Thread

Binary Lowered Recaro Seats, Girodisc 2-Piece, brake ducting, ST43's, SS lines and ATE Superblue, KW V3's 8K/10K, jid2 flat-bottom, adjustable splitter and aero, 18x9.5 +40 NT03's 265/18/35 BFG R1's
Offline
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
aftermarket, building, carbon, drag, evo, evolutionm, fiber, kognition, location, mount, race, racing, rear, road, wing, wings

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0