2 Step/No Lift 2 Shift

IndYGts08 · Jul 15, 2008, 11:30 PM

Pistons, internals, and all that stuff is nice, but does anybody know if they are making a 2step/no lift to shift kit for us...

ambystom01 · Jul 15, 2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IndYGts08

Pistons, internals, and all that stuff is nice, but does anybody know if they are making a 2step/no lift to shift kit for us...

Why would they? Both of those things are intended for turboed cars, not NA cars. Ferraris and Corvettes don't have 2-step or no-lift systems, there is a reason.

IndYGts08 · Jul 16, 2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ambystom01

Why would they? Both of those things are intended for turboed cars, not NA cars. Ferraris and Corvettes don't have 2-step or no-lift systems, there is a reason.

Turbo in the works so this does interest me, no-lift is a saving grace for the tranny seeing how comin it is to miss gears while launching...my buddy has the wot box on his cobalt and he improved his 1/4 time by nearly a full second

ambystom01 · Jul 16, 2008, 09:51 AM

No-lift shifting does not help the tranny, it's designed to keep boost between shifts thus making you faster. This isn't an issue for an NA car or for the conservation of the lancer (if anything it's worse for the tranny). Launch control can be programmed once you have full access to the ECU (using ECUflash or some other softwarre) but you need a manual to use it, if you have a CVT, you're out of luck.

IndYGts08 · Jul 16, 2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ambystom01

No-lift shifting does not help the tranny, it's designed to keep boost between shifts thus making you faster. This isn't an issue for an NA car or for the conservation of the lancer (if anything it's worse for the tranny). Launch control can be programmed once you have full access to the ECU (using ECUflash or some other softwarre) but you need a manual to use it, if you have a CVT, you're out of luck.

It is easier on the gears, yet it is harder on the clutch, I would rather burn a clutch then strip gears...it will be awhile before i even need a wot, since my full engine build will be taking a little time since it is the busy time for the machine shop(16g is lookin' sexy btw)

ambystom01 · Jul 16, 2008, 12:26 PM

Why would it be easier on the gears? That doesn't make sense. If you're shifting at a high RPM, you're essentially mashing the input shaft and the transmission together, they're not moving at the same speed.

IndYGts08 · Jul 17, 2008, 12:53 AM

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Why would it be easier on the gears? That doesn't make sense. If you're shifting at a high RPM, you're essentially mashing the input shaft and the transmission together, they're not moving at the same speed.

tell me then, if it so destructive then why would GM mass produce it for the cobalt ss/tc? this is a factory installed deal for them. its obvious ur not a fan of no lift to shift, good for you, but i would like to see this done for our cars. prolly should move this debate/topic to tranny....sorry for the inconvenience

evo_soul · Jul 17, 2008, 07:00 AM

lol I am not taking sides in this at all , but please dont mix rag tag economy cars with real performance muscle rated cars. These cars come out of different levels of quality parts, different technologies, different patents for how they get sh!t done.

IndYGts08 · Jul 17, 2008, 08:03 AM

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lol I am not taking sides in this at all , but please dont mix rag tag economy cars with real performance muscle rated cars. These cars come out of different levels of quality parts, different technologies, different patents for how they get sh!t done.

i dont understand how you can say the cobalt ss/tc is a rag tag economy car...line up next to one at the strip with ur lancer and see which one gets to the line first...our 152 hp aint gonna get us there first, so maybe we should pay attention to what GM guys are doing with their rides and etc., be smart, educate ourselves, and learn from others. we shouldnt think that mitsu is the "far superior" car!

Bawb3 · Jul 17, 2008, 12:12 PM

Dude, the GTS spoiler and mitsubishi logo adds 100hp!

hey wait... wasnt this thread about Evo X pistons fitting in the 4b11?

Nankov · Jul 17, 2008, 01:25 PM

i didnt get wich one is rag tag economy car? do you mean the lancer or the cobalt?

ambystom01 · Jul 17, 2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IndYGts08

tell me then, if it so destructive then why would GM mass produce it for the cobalt ss/tc? this is a factory installed deal for them. its obvious ur not a fan of no lift to shift, good for you, but i would like to see this done for our cars. prolly should move this debate/topic to tranny....sorry for the inconvenience

There's a few reasons, I'll list them for convenience sake.

1. The transmission was designed to take the beating that happens from both launching (this is known to break transmissions) and no-lift shifting (also known to break transmissions).
2. It's FWD which means if it can overload the tires rather than completely shock the transmission.
3. The car was designed to be a performance car, it was tuned at the Nurburgring and it was meant to be beaten on.

I didn't say I'm not a fan of no-lift shifting, I simply said it's very very hard on the car. I suggest you read up on how transmissions work and how both systems work since you don't seem to understand why it is so bad for the car.

crypto · Jul 17, 2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ambystom01

There's a few reasons, I'll list them for convenience sake.

1. The transmission was designed to take the beating that happens from both launching (this is known to break transmissions) and no-lift shifting (also known to break transmissions).
2. It's FWD which means if it can overload the tires rather than completely shock the transmission.
3. The car was designed to be a performance car, it was tuned at the Nurburgring and it was meant to be beaten on.

I didn't say I'm not a fan of no-lift shifting, I simply said it's very very hard on the car. I suggest you read up on how transmissions work and how both systems work since you don't seem to understand why it is so bad for the car.

evo_soul · Jul 17, 2008, 04:48 PM

IndYGts08
do you honestly think I was comparing the lancer. what in the 3 or 4 posts before mine makes you think the lancer is ã performance super car. please read. and see where ferarie was mentioned. I will admit I should have quoted to make my point really obvious

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Originally Posted by IndYGts08

i dont understand how you can say the cobalt ss/tc is a rag tag economy car...line up next to one at the strip with ur lancer and see which one gets to the line first...our 152 hp aint gonna get us there first, so maybe we should pay attention to what GM guys are doing with their rides and etc., be smart, educate ourselves, and learn from others. we shouldnt think that mitsu is the "far superior" car!

IndYGts08 · Jul 17, 2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by evo_soul

IndYGts08
do you honestly think I was comparing the lancer. what in the 3 or 4 posts before mine makes you think the lancer is ã performance super car. please read. and see where ferarie was mentioned. I will admit I should have quoted to make my point really obvious

what in the hell is a ferarie?