Swap vs turbo

smoke · Apr 27, 2009, 12:41 AM

So some people already have a turbo. but what about the internals? its still weak isn't it?

is it better to turbo the car and do a build or buy an evo engine and swap?

Mayhem7o2 · Apr 27, 2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by smoke

So some people already have a turbo. but what about the internals? its still weak isn't it?

is it better to turbo the car and do a build or buy an evo engine and swap?

As of now there are no internals to build the 4b11 or 4b12. It would be more effective to swap but its going to cost twice as much if not more. It also depends on what you are happy with... If you like 200-230whp range than the turbo is a good route to go. If you want more than the swap is the route but it is going to cost a pretty penny. I've been looking into it for awhile and there is still a lot I don't know about. It will be a direct bolt in but the ECU's are completely different. The more technology grows, the harder it is going to be to perform power swaps...

If you are looking for cheap power I would suggest getting a 90's honda civic and do a b18 swap. It is a perfect fit into any d18 v-tec civic and b-18's will be heavily supported by aftermarket manufacturers. You could honestly spend 5,000 on a shell, engine, turbo and have a little left over.

But for a 4b11t swap into a lancer is going to be a major headache

I was dead set on doing this to my lancer but the more I look into it the more I think I'm just going to leave it as a sporty DD with a few visual modifications just to please the eyes... and have a project track car for my speed needs :P

smoke · Apr 28, 2009, 12:10 AM

i have a 99 civic Sir with already but its going to be sold for an auto so everyone can drive it..

im happy with 230 hp for my lancer but i drive Very aggressively.. i redline everyday boarding the highway.. i dont think our engine can handle that stress...

yitzac1990 · Apr 29, 2009, 12:19 PM

evo x pistons will fit in the lancers engine. Frank at xtreme boost may even give me some X pistons to put in.

Mayhem7o2 · May 1, 2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yitzac1990

evo x pistons will fit in the lancers engine. Frank at xtreme boost may even give me some X pistons to put in.

Even if the pistons fit that alone won't allow you to push bore than 6-8psi safely. Engine swap would be the best choice for performance but won't be light on your wallet. Turbo is good if you are content with 200-230whp.

LuDa · May 1, 2009, 11:16 PM

true ^ dont expect to get any real power without a swap..and if you were interested in pushing good numbers you got the wronggg car.

smoke · May 2, 2009, 01:04 AM

gonna wait for a header.. get exhaust and fix up suspension.. and i think thats ill do for the next few years... im saving up for my business and eventually ill get my dream car.

Lotus Exige 240 or even the new 2010 Evora

cedric · May 2, 2009, 01:30 AM

Maybe possible to ask parts department for, parts(pistons, rods etc.) for the 4b11T motor? Im sure they built the motor that goes into the engine a bit better then the N/A 4b11

Mayhem7o2 · May 4, 2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cedric

Maybe possible to ask parts department for, parts(pistons, rods etc.) for the 4b11T motor? Im sure they built the motor that goes into the engine a bit better then the N/A 4b11

The 4b11t parts won't work in the 4b11. If the pistons actually do work, which I am still highly skeptical about. It still won't be enough to push more than 8psi safely.

LuDa · May 9, 2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by smoke

gonna wait for a header.. get exhaust and fix up suspension.. and i think thats ill do for the next few years... im saving up for my business and eventually ill get my dream car.

Lotus Exige 240 or even the new 2010 Evora

if you want the potential of your NA lancer and thats all you plan to do just make sure you have everything like intake,exhaust,pully,drop in,header, and after that get a ECU reflash (works has a good one) that with some good tires and you should be pushing decent power for a daily..

smoke · May 9, 2009, 04:15 PM

i dont think ill get a ecu flash.. i dont think its worth 500 bucks and have to buy premium... im aso i little bit skeptical with ecu stuff.. i never done anything with an ecu so i doubt ill have the experience to notice a difference.. they can basically lie and said i have 5-10 extra hp and i might even believe that lol..

but with hardware stuff like pulley, intake, short shifter.. i can actually feel the difference with no hesitation.

GPTourer · May 9, 2009, 04:27 PM

You have got to remember, these engines were designed for economy and longevity first, performance somewhere far behind. Mitsu put their performance hat on when developing the 4B11T, which are so different, they really deserve their own code.

I/H/E mods will only gain you so much, just a little bit, and once you go down that road and decide to go turbo later, all of those mods will have to be replaced for turbo specific parts (except for maybe the catback)

A turbo kit will provide a good boost of power, but it at least doesn't require removing the engine, but you'll be limited to 8psi of boost. If you get tired of that, the engine has to come out for a rebuild if parts ever become available.

An Evo swap gives you the ability to do almost whatever you can dream of power wise, but is so much money, you'll be committed to the car and run the risk of getting in over your head. Probably not something you want to do to a vehicle you are still making payments on and rely on for a daily driver.

Cliffs. Don't waste money on one of the lower stages if you know you'll want more power later on. Just save up and go for the bigger setup and do it right - off the top.

smoke · May 10, 2009, 06:26 PM

im dying for a turbo.. but i honestly dont think its worth 7 grand...

RRM's is 4300 USD x1.27 =$5461 +shipping and handling and customs.. i think $6000 canadian is a safe price to estimate.

then install and tune is prob 2000 CAD.. but lets just say its only 1 K .. $7000 for a 230 hp car...
:S

i can so use that 7 grand else where... like tuition... equipment for my music studio... investments.

if the total cost for going from 152 hp to 230 with install and tune was maximum $4000, i'd do it. but i dont see it happening for a looong time..

plus i dont want to know that my car might get screwed without a build... i drive very very hard on my car every single day as is

three29 · Jun 14, 2009, 07:10 PM

dan you better start buying more lottery tickets

Stuntfly02 · Jun 15, 2009, 11:44 AM

IF you really want to do a swap that badly, ide suggest sourcing (if you can find it) a used evo x short block. there are a few wrecked evo x's out there by now that there has to be an engine or 2 floating around. We are assuming that the piston sleeves, crankshaft, cams, and a few other components are different. Starting with the Evo block, swap all parts from the base lancer engine that you need to make it run with the stock ecu. So use your original cam and pistons, plus the stock head. Then put it all back together with as many of the stock engine components as you can. alternator, water pump, all those fun goodies and see how it runs. Then start adding the turbo and go get a tune or a custom piggyback made to manage everything. Once you feel you are running safely and if you want more power add the evo camshaft and pistons and go get another tune. Due to all the computer controlled components of the EVO's AWD system I have a feeling using the evo x ecu is out of the question.