Timing Map Explanation?

[imalancerman]

Originally Posted by crewdawg130

Yes and no. The basic are there. BUT... think about this... earlyer you were saying that you gotto start controling the knock before you do fueling..... if you go about it this way you will be fighting knock every time you take away fuel. Remember that the only way to control knock is to retard ignition or add fuel, but primary retard ignition.... so, the first thing you should do IS fuel, so retard the heck out of her on the high loads (WOT) and get your AFRs flat. Your BUTT dyno is not goin to feel any power yet cause the timing is way retarded. But is cool, youll get there. Then after you get the "advertised in the forums afrs" (what ever that is) cause that what you looking for cause your not in a dyno, then you start adding timing (maybe 2deg at a time, dont get crazy) and thats when the powers starts coming in. If you add timing and the AFRs change then go back and fix the fuel. And the rest is on you cause im not gonna tell you to make her knock and pull it back.....

Lol, I guess I should have paid a little more attention to your previous posts lol. About the old school method. I do fully understand what your saying about everything so far though, I am not having trouble following. And I really appreciate all the extra info. A lot of tuners I know will never ever tell secrets or tips and tricks to tuning at all. Ive been having a hard time learning it on my own for this reason. But its thanks to all those guys that do tell that I can learn to do this on my own. Thank you.

[crewdawg130]

Originally Posted by imalancerman

Lol, I guess I should have paid a little more attention to your previous posts lol. About the old school method. I do fully understand what your saying about everything so far though, I am not having trouble following. And I really appreciate all the extra info. A lot of tuners I know will never ever tell secrets or tips and tricks to tuning at all. Ive been having a hard time learning it on my own for this reason. But its thanks to all those guys that do tell that I can learn to do this on my own. Thank you.

I dont care about sharing . Is not rocket sience, as long as you understand how engines work and EFI. I got lucky to enought to be born and raised around this all my life. I read alot and took courses on efi and tuning. All i want to get across is, dont become a Forum Tuner. take your time, READ, Test, suround yourself with people that know what they are doing and then come up with your own methods. There is plenty of way to get to the same results. Just gotto be smart. Get down the "Cause and effect" if you do this, that will happen.... Understanding whats goin on will save your engine.... Good luck

[03lances]

Originally Posted by crewdawg130

Yes and no. The basic are there. BUT... think about this... earlyer you were saying that you gotto start controling the knock before you do fueling..... if you go about it this way you will be fighting knock every time you take away fuel. Remember that the only way to control knock is to retard ignition or add fuel, but primary retard ignition.... so, the first thing you should do IS fuel, so retard the heck out of her on the high loads (WOT) and get your AFRs flat. Your BUTT dyno is not goin to feel any power yet cause the timing is way retarded. But is cool, youll get there. Then after you get the "advertised in the forums afrs" (what ever that is) cause that what you looking for cause your not in a dyno, then you start adding timing (maybe 2deg at a time, dont get crazy) and thats when the powers starts coming in. If you add timing and the AFRs change then go back and fix the fuel. And the rest is on you cause im not gonna tell you to make her knock and pull it back.....

Ok I follow but want to clarify so we should retard timing over most of WOT country to start and then get some consistent afr's then start advancing timing so we are not knocking prematurely due to leaner afr's? Thanks again

[crewdawg130]

Originally Posted by 03lances

Ok I follow but want to clarify so we should retard timing over most of WOT country to start and then get some consistent afr's then start advancing timing so we are not knocking prematurely due to leaner afr's? Thanks again

Excactly.... you dont want to be fighting knock while you triming fuel.

ok. can one of you NA guys and one of you Boosted guys can email me a lancer ROM file and a WOT log and ill break it down. ill be easyer if you can see what im talking about..

Or post a fuel and a timing maps

[03lances]

how is this, unmolested stock na maps

[crewdawg130]

great. now we need one from a boosted car

[crewdawg130]

Originally Posted by 03lances

how is this, unmolested stock na maps

Ok. what loads do you see on a WOT run from 3k to red line

[crewdawg130]

All you guys have widebands and can log them correct?

[03lances]

I have all gauges including wideband but wont install until everything else goes in. So here is a log 3rd gear WOT not all the way to redline. I will be the first to admit this looks like crap but I just spent almos 40 mins spacing it all nice and straight only to find that space dont count when its posted and it was still crunched together so this is a rough way to space it.

RPMS------Knock sum-------Load
3000------------1--------------84
3031.25 -------1 -------------85
3093.75 -------0 ------------85
3125 ----------0 -----------85
3156.25 -------0 ----- --- 86
3187.5 --------0 ---------86
3218.75 ------ 0 ------- 88
3281.25------ 0 --------- 88
3312.5 ------- 0 --------- 88
3343.75 ----- 0 -------- 88
3375 ----- 0 --------- 86
3437.5 ----- 0 ------- 88
3468.75 ------ 0 --------- 88
3500 ----- ------ 0 --------- 88
3531.25 ----- 0 ---------- 88
3593.75 ----- ---- 0 -------- 87
3593.75 ---- --- 0 -------- 89
3656.25 ----- ---- 1 ---------- 90
3687.5 ---- ----- 1 ---------- 90
3718.75 ---- --- 0 ---------- 90
3750 ----- ---- 0 ------- 90
3812.5 ---- ---- 0 ---------- 89
3843.75 ---- ---- 0 --------- 90
3875 ----- --- 0 --------- 90
3906.25 ----- ---- 0 ---------- 89
3937.5 ---- ---- 0 --------- 91
3968.75 ---- ---- 0 -------- 90
4031.25 ----- ---- 0 ---------- 91
4062.5 ---- ---- 0 -------- 91
4093.75 ---- ---- 0 --------- 91
4125 ----- --- 0 -------- 92
4187.5 ------ --- 0 -------- 92
4218.75 ----- --- 0 --------- 92
4250 ---- -- 0 --------- 91
4281.25 ----- ---- 0 ---------- 92
4312.5 ----- --- 0 ---------- 92
4375 ---- ---- 0 -------- 93
4375 ----- ---- 0 --------------- - 93
4437.5 ---- ---- 0 ------------- 92
4500 ---- ---- 0 ------------ 92
4500 ----- --- 0 -------- 93
4562.5 ---- ---- 0 -------- 92
4562.5 ----- ---- 0 ----------- 91
4625 ----- --- 0 --------- 91
4656.25 ----- ---- 0 ---------- 91
4718.75 ----- ---- 0 --------- 92
4750 ------ --- 0 --------- 93
4781.25 ----- ---- 0 --------- 89
4812.5 ----- --- 0 ---------- 88
4843.75 ---- --- 0 ---------- 90
4843.75 ----- --- 0 ----------- 92
4875 ----- 0 ----------- 91
4937.5 ---- ---- ---- 0 ---------- 91
4968.75 ---- ---- 0 ---------- 89
5000 ----- 0 ---------- 89
5031.25 ----- 2 ---------- 90
5062.5 ---- 4 -------- 92
5093.75 ----- 3 --------- 88
5125 ----- 3 ---------- 89
5156.25 ---- 3 ----------- 90
5218.75 ---- 3 ----- 91
5218.75 ----- 3 -------- 91
5250 ---- 3 ----------- 90
5281.25 ---- 2 --------- 90
5312.5 ---- 2 --------- 90
5343.75 ----- 2 -------- 89
5343.75 ---- 2 -------- 91
5406.25 ---- 2 -------- 91
5406.25 ---- 2 -------- 90
5468.75 ---- 3 -------- 90
5468.75 ---- 3 -------- 90
5500 ---- 3 --------- 90
5531.25 ----- 3 --------- 90
5562.5 ---- 3 -------- 89
5593.75 ---- 2 ---------- 89
5593.75 ---- 2 --------- 88
5625 ----- 2 --------- 88

[crewdawg130]

make the same but add timing and O2volts. and well start

[03lances]

oh ya will do just leaving for work so wont be until late tonight

[crewdawg130]

k. wish you could log AFR cause we prolly be done by now....lol

[4g94T]

Originally Posted by 03lances

I will be the first to admit this looks like crap but I just spent almos 40 mins spacing it all nice and straight only to find that space dont count when its posted and it was still crunched together so this is a rough way to space it.

you know you could of just took a screen shot of the screen (prt sc) and uploaded it

[ClixT]

Originally Posted by 4g94t

you know you could of just took a screen shot of the screen (prt sc) and uploaded it

+1

[crewdawg130]

A+ for effort tho