Piggy back/flash

[Nocturnal Ryda]

Has any 1 on here installed a piggyback/flash on there car and noticed a hp diff?? i have a es and it aint all that. i have to make at least another 50 hp b4 i decide to maybe boost it. i have a axle-back and have ordered a cai. what else can i do???

PLEASE dont say "ya should have bought as ralliart/evo, why fix up a es". i have 3 kids and my car is my forth. i l didnt want the payment of a higher model. in my opinion the GTS is not worth the extra 7 g's to me either.

[EngRWW33]

50 hp is not going to happen without boost. Best bet is intake, exhaust, pulley, maybe header, and flash. this should get you up higher, but there are very fine limits without boost.

[Nocturnal Ryda]

so no one on here has got the piggyback/flash......or has more opinions??? i dnt want to make a decision i will regret. or waste money.

[brndn23]

RRM has a piggyback kit and a timing mod thats you can get if you want. Together they probably add about 10hp only though. Even with the piggyback and timing mod, or a works flash, along with cai, header, exhasut, leightweight pulley, its doubtful you will ever get 50hp out of all of those things combined. A turbo is the only other possibility for big gains until someone comes out with aftermarket internals for the 4b11. Don't confuse with the 4b11t. JUN racing and cosworth have stroker kits and cam kits and other internals for the 4b11t, not the 4b11. They have totally diff blocks. But yeah, a turbo is best option until more companies come out with more parts over the next year or two.

[lancer0220]

you wont get 50hp without going boost.

[ambystom01]

Originally Posted by lancer0220

you wont get 50hp without going boost.

This.

[lancer0220]

on another note you said the gts was not worth the extra 7 g's well it probably is especially in the 09 depending on how much you paid for your 09 es. I paid 20k OTD with S&S. You can get an 09 gts with out s&S for 18500 IF NOT less OTD. So n ow that extra 7gs is more like extra 2500-5000 dollars (again depending on how much your es was OTD). you could probably put $1500-2000 dollars in mods on your car and still not get the +21 ftlb of tq the 2.4L gts offers, i didnt say you couldnt get the +16hp because you probably could but the TQ , i doubt it.


Greddy ti-c $350
Injen CAI $325
Header $400
Pully $140
piggy $429
timing $229

Total $ 1,873 + tax shipping comes out to over 2 grand.

oh did i also mention the fact that you would have 0 warranty after all these mods.

You MIGHT get up to what the 09gts has but I doubt it, anything is possible

[Nocturnal Ryda]

well i got my Es for 14500. and the place i got it was selling the gts for 22,000 (fully loaded). i think im going to just trade/sell it next yr and get the ralliart. your right about the mods not being worth it. IF i dnt get a ralliart/evo then i must boost my es. oh well bout the warrentys...hope mitsu made a good quality car.

[LuDa]

Originally Posted by lancer0220

on another note you said the gts was not worth the extra 7 g's well it probably is especially in the 09 depending on how much you paid for your 09 es. I paid 20k OTD with S&S. You can get an 09 gts with out s&S for 18500 IF NOT less OTD. So n ow that extra 7gs is more like extra 2500-5000 dollars (again depending on how much your es was OTD). you could probably put $1500-2000 dollars in mods on your car and still not get the +21 ftlb of tq the 2.4L gts offers, i didnt say you couldnt get the +16hp because you probably could but the TQ , i doubt it.


Greddy ti-c $350
Injen CAI $325
Header $400
Pully $140
piggy $429
timing $229

Total $ 1,873 + tax shipping comes out to over 2 grand.

oh did i also mention the fact that you would have 0 warranty after all these mods.

You MIGHT get up to what the 09gts has but I doubt it, anything is possible

not really true..all those are basically bolt ons..i couldnt see any of them causing major damage to the engine or tranny..or mitsubishi being able to prove that so. timing module can be removed same with pully CAI piggy everything except the header basically and the exhaust..which dealers wont give you crap about cause it dosent do much. Remember mitsubishi has to be able to prove that your afermarket part was a direct cause of the failure in order to void any part of your warranty..those parts above...not likely..



as far as getting 50whp..a turbo kit gives you about 50whp..that should give you an idea of how hard it'll be to get that staying NA, however Works does claim a 20whp gain with their flash..and if it stands true thats the best mod you can get right now.

[ambystom01]

Originally Posted by LuDa

not really true..all those are basically bolt ons..i couldnt see any of them causing major damage to the engine or tranny..or mitsubishi being able to prove that so. timing module can be removed same with pully CAI piggy everything except the header basically and the exhaust..which dealers wont give you crap about cause it dosent do much. Remember mitsubishi has to be able to prove that your afermarket part was a direct cause of the failure in order to void any part of your warranty..those parts above...not likely..



as far as getting 50whp..a turbo kit gives you about 50whp..that should give you an idea of how hard it'll be to get that staying NA, however Works does claim a 20whp gain with their flash..and if it stands true thats the best mod you can get right now.

Mitsubishi doesn't have to prove anything, if you show up with a non-stock car and ask for warranty work, they can very politely tell you no since the car you have is not the one they legally stated they would cover. People seem to have this idea that dealerships have to get a team of scientists to prove that the part directly caused the damage at hand, they don't.

[lancer0220]

Originally Posted by ambystom01

Mitsubishi doesn't have to prove anything, if you show up with a non-stock car and ask for warranty work, they can very politely tell you no since the car you have is not the one they legally stated they would cover. People seem to have this idea that dealerships have to get a team of scientists to prove that the part directly caused the damage at hand, they don't.

Exactly, unless your going to start a law suit and spend years in court and shell out $$$ the dealer can pretty much do and say what they want.


also if you noticed every single BOLT has a permanent marker line on it and on the top of the screw so anytime you remove the bolt if the permanent marker doesnt line up or is mising or the bolt is scratched they can say you removed it and put it back.

for example, when installing a CAI on a cvt you have to relocate the tranny cooler, if you dont line up all the bolts 100% all they have to do is remove the front bumper and in 1-2 minutes they can see that something was moved and void your warranty.


same thing goes for the exhaust, if they see that the bolts have been loosened, scratched in anyway they can easily say u or a 3rd party shop messed with the exhaust and caused the problem.

the internal effects of the timing module are unknown at this time. for all we know running the timing module in the end could harm your engine.


edit: also a mitsu tech would have to be a complete fool not to notice the spliced wires where the piggy was installed.


Also when i took my car in with the recaro seats to have the airbag OCM reset and re-calibrated after they were done (took 2 days because the 1st day they couldnt do it, so after some help from another member and reading up how the srs system works in our car i went back at 7am the next morning and b*t*ched until they offered to try again at no cost) they claimed that my warranty on my entire SRS system was void! even with out having a problem, now yes I could probably sue them and get that overturned but honestly its not worth the time, and its not like i believe what they say about the warranty either...i replaced one OEM part with another exact OEM part (OCM's from the evo and lancer are the same).

anyway just thought id toss that in there

[lancer0220]

Originally Posted by LuDa

not really true..all those are basically bolt ons..i couldnt see any of them causing major damage to the engine or tranny..or mitsubishi being able to prove that so. timing module can be removed same with pully CAI piggy everything except the header basically and the exhaust..which dealers wont give you crap about cause it dosent do much. Remember mitsubishi has to be able to prove that your afermarket part was a direct cause of the failure in order to void any part of your warranty..those parts above...not likely..



as far as getting 50whp..a turbo kit gives you about 50whp..that should give you an idea of how hard it'll be to get that staying NA, however Works does claim a 20whp gain with their flash..and if it stands true thats the best mod you can get right now.

my main point wasnt the warranty but the fact that yes there is a price diff between the 09 gts and the other models but in the end you can spend the same amount if not more than half and STILL NOT have a car that is as equipped as a stock 09 gts.

but eys your right, the warranty depends on each dealer it also depends on what day, what service guy you get and if the sun is properly aligned with the earth...lol

point is aftermarket parts are typically a gamble with dealers, heck i had a problem with an OEM part in my car with the dealer...heh

[ambystom01]

Exactly, moreover if you go in with the attitude of "I know more than you, so do what I say", they're not going to be keen to help you and it will likely be worse for you.

[lancer0220]

Originally Posted by ambystom01

Exactly, moreover if you go in with the attitude of "I know more than you, so do what I say", they're not going to be keen to help you and it will likely be worse for you.

off topic but not like this topic is going in one direction anyway,

i didnt exactly do that until after they charged me 100 dollars for TRYING and FAILING to reset the airbag light when the recaros were installed. then i came back the next morning laid the law down and told them im NOT paying another 100 dollars. lets just say when i picked up my car I had the service manager, technician, and the manager technician all explaining to me that my airbag system will probably not work and that evo x parts and other parts from other lancer trims cant be installed across trims (ie, de to gts to es to de , etc etc).

I simply and signed the paper work for my car and told them if they ever needed help with the 09 lancers they got my number.


I called 2 weeks later and had a 30 minute conversation with the GM of the dealership, we had a good conversation but sadly nothing came from it. oh well.


Also if a dealer denies warranty claims for an aftermarket part, be prepared to come in with YOUR OWN copy of the service manual and explain to the service manager WHY your part CANT affect the part that is now broken in ANYWAY. my friend had to do this with nissan on his 350z, they blamed his SRI for something, lets just say he spent over 1 week until they finally acknowledged his claim. point is make sure you know your stuff and can back it up with a page number or section number in the service manual. saying "people on the forums said..." isnt going to help your claim or work in your favor at all.

[ambystom01]

Bingo, you really need to know your stuff in order for it to work. If it's your word against theirs, they win since, unless you're a mechanic, they're the authority on the issue. So if your engine blows up because the tune is buggered and you have an intake, be prepared for a long fight that you may not win.