Mitsu in 2016 - Page 5

tipoytm · Nov 5, 2009, 11:44 AM

Diesel is one of the fuels that US-bound production cars need to be using more. I was in the Philippines a month ago, a LOT of pickups/SUVs/crossovers are using Turbo-Diesel Technology for over a decade. Mitsubishi uses Turbo-Diesel w/ Common-Rail Direct Injection techonology on their Strada pickups and Montero SUV/crossovers. Awesome performance (impressive torque) and at the same time great fuel misers. I don't know why Mitsu doesn't import those vehicles here, it would really be a big advantage against the competition.

04Evo8RS · Nov 5, 2009, 02:57 PM

who cares about mpg anyway, i buy my cars for the car itself not how good it does with gas mileage

tipoytm · Nov 5, 2009, 04:08 PM

^ Some people actually care about the environment and want to save $$ on long trips... what's wrong about that? Sure I bought a gas guzzling Evo, but I wish every gas fillup that it was 4-5mpg better since it only has 4 cylinders.

JHizzle · Nov 6, 2009, 04:28 PM

thats kind of ridiculous.. the base lancer dosent even get 35mpg, and performance on these cars are just increasing..im curious to how this will work out..and what will happen to mustang GTs

donmeca2020 · Nov 6, 2009, 07:25 PM

i dont think it should effect us owners who already own evos, it just might affect the newer generations from knowing what an AWD monster made by mitsu is, so in that case with us orginal 4g63 boys from all the evos except the 10 it looks like it'll maker OUR cars a whole lot more rarer and expensive. i myself still and will believe that our will be the next supra and so fourth in a few years from now

itsme4g63 · Nov 8, 2009, 07:36 PM

it is all good, they made the evos they needed to make.

EVO9_IX · Nov 10, 2009, 03:27 AM

I think they can deffinetly make a evo with 35mpg

JustJeff · Nov 12, 2009, 11:48 AM

They need to just make an engine %100 electric like the Tesla Roadster, and throw it into an Evo. That would solve MPG problems. Now some of us might not want an electric car, but its good to have options.

GPTourer · Nov 14, 2009, 03:49 PM

I'd settle for DI. They were among the first to make DI mainstream but never brought it to this country. Only problem is DI can make for some pretty hard modding ceilings, something I'm sure Mitsu doesn't want for its perennial mod favorite flagship car.

BerserkerX · Nov 14, 2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GPTourer

I'd settle for DI. They were among the first to make DI mainstream but never brought it to this country. Only problem is DI can make for some pretty hard modding ceilings, something I'm sure Mitsu doesn't want for its perennial mod favorite flagship car.

How does it cause mod ceilings? I am just curious is all. I actually thought it made it pretty easy and quite capable of taking horsepower. One thing I was always told can be a pain to mod with is an electronic throttle body but not sure how true that is.

GPTourer · Nov 16, 2009, 08:28 AM

Well, the fuel system, particularly the fuel injectors are very proprietary for each application. This along with how the ECU controls them makes it, not as easy to upgrade, once it comes time to add power.

ShadowES · Nov 17, 2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tipoytm

Diesel is one of the fuels that US-bound production cars need to be using more. I was in the Philippines a month ago, a LOT of pickups/SUVs/crossovers are using Turbo-Diesel Technology for over a decade. Mitsubishi uses Turbo-Diesel w/ Common-Rail Direct Injection techonology on their Strada pickups and Montero SUV/crossovers. Awesome performance (impressive torque) and at the same time great fuel misers. I don't know why Mitsu doesn't import those vehicles here, it would really be a big advantage against the competition.

the reason is the way they measure the co2 released from the exhaust. in europe and any other place that isnt the US uses an intellegent way to measure the exhaust they run the vehicle on a dyno for several miles and measure the BTUs intin it. the US shoves a pipe up the exhaust and presses the peddal to the floor getting the first off reading then they say that the deisel vehicle is too polutant and we cant have it.

kinda like my dad has a jeep liberty in europe they have a deisel model that make more power and way more MPG but they wont release it in the states.

tipoytm · Nov 17, 2009, 11:17 AM

^ LoL, isn't that the same method used in getting cars smogged? I don't know, they should only use that method for smogging, not for evaluating if a new model (that uses diesel) can cause too much pollution. VW has been selling TDIs in the US for awhile now... BMW & Mercedes are now trying to get in the bandwagon. What I don't understand is this, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc (not sure about Honda) have been selling clean diesel-powered consumer vehicles in other countries for awhile now, why can't they just bring that technology here, have the government certify emissions, and start selling them in volume? VW did this, why can't they?

My wife and I were looking at VW TDIs two weeks ago, guess what... they are hot selling cars (Jettas, and now Golfs) in California. Most dealers don't even sell at MSRP, they mark them up at least $2K and even though it's a buyers' market, they still get sold fast. That's a lot of profit for VW dealers, these should be the kind of cars they put out in the lots. Look at Mitsu, they can't compete with Honda, Toyota, etc with their current lineup (even Evos were heavily discounted this summer). The Raider, Endeavor, Galant, even with massive rebates and discounts are still sitting out there, if they imported the TDI Stradas and Monteros, they could easily sell those things like hotcakes, I'm sure people are wiling to pay a premium for them.

hotrod2448 · Nov 17, 2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BerserkerX

How does it cause mod ceilings? I am just curious is all. I actually thought it made it pretty easy and quite capable of taking horsepower. One thing I was always told can be a pain to mod with is an electronic throttle body but not sure how true that is.

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Originally Posted by GPTourer

Well, the fuel system, particularly the fuel injectors are very proprietary for each application. This along with how the ECU controls them makes it, not as easy to upgrade, once it comes time to add power.

Like GPT said once you max out the fuel system you are pretty much done. It's the main reason you don't see any 600hp 335's running around. The injectors are maxed out somewhere around 450whp. This car has been around for 3 years now and there is still no pump or injector upgrades available for it.

Another issue with DI is as RPM's go up the time to inject fuel is drastically shortened so, you probably won't see high RPM high boost applications anytime soon.