Mitsu in 2016

[FullBoostRacing]

Mitsu and all the car makers will do what toyota is doing. Toyota dropped there performance line (supra/celica) and now has high mpg cars for sale. Even the tundras are doing better mpg these days.

If you like toyota for performance you have to go find a celica or supra from back in the day.

So in 2016 if you want a mitsu for performance get ready to go back in time to find one.

I am glad to see the X guys turning out good numbers but the 4b11 is the first step towards more constrictive engines. The whole reason the 4G63 was even dumped was because its a emissions hungry engine compared to the 4b11.

[GPTourer]

Originally Posted by FullBoostRacing

Mitsu and all the car makers will do what toyota is doing. Toyota dropped there performance line (supra/celica) and now has high mpg cars for sale. ...

I am glad to see the X guys turning out good numbers but the 4b11 is the first step towards more constrictive engines. The whole reason the 4G63 was even dumped was because its a emissions hungry engine compared to the 4b11.

Well, isn't it nice that they developed the X and 4B11T at all? If they were "doing what Toyota does" then they would've canned the car all together. It costs a lot of money to develop a new engine, even one based on an existing design so it was smart of Mitsu to partner with Hyundai to help defer some of the costs of developing the 4B11, but they still spent a lot of their own money taking the design even further to bring us the X and R with their unique 4B11Ts.

Toyota would not have done this.

[gabe74gt]

I am more eager to see what will happen in 2016!!....

[Hiboost]

If they spent a bit more time tuning the car they could get mileage ratings up from 16 city / 22 highway to 20 city / 26 highway pretty easily. For longer trips I'm already managing 28-30 mpg and I can still drive like a nut and get low 20's mpg. Some gearing changes such as a taller final drive so that 5th isn't revving so high would also help things out a few mpg. I understand they aimed for performance but the car is seriously detuned from the factory in both Horsepower and efficiency. There is no reason they couldn't get 320 HP out of this engine from the factory perfectly safe so the shorter gearing wouldn't be as necessary to offset the weight inreases.

Another thing they could do is have an Evo Hybrid option that actually has performance. Slap in the same engine tuned for max efficiency and still be in the 250 HP range and have an electric motor that can output another 100-150 HP. When you want max power you have ~350 HP on tap and when you are cruising around it can just run on electric with the engine idling.

[tipoytm]

^ Amen. That's why I'm interested in the concept of the Honda CRZ, if only Mitsu could do the same with the Evo with what you have in mind.

Here's my idea of the ultimate & green Daily Driver:

Lancer Ralliart 4B11T/Suspension/AWD/TC-SST (w/ a more fuel-efficient tune)
100HP Hybrid Electric Motor
Say just a 100lb heavier overall (after batteries/electric motor added), so they'll have to put in lighter materials if they have to

MSRP $30K (base), I'll take that over the Lexus HS250 any day!

[UT_Evo]

I imagine every car company will be fine, there's so much tech out there for performance cars running with better gas mileage. There's diesel, electric/gas hybrids like the CRZ (not like the Prius), piston use hybrids (like the Impala that can use either 4 cyl or all of it's cyl), E85, NGV. And that's just the tech we have readily available. Don't forget solar, and hydrogen too.

Like someone said, the only company that should have fear is Subaru (and maybe others if they aren't taken as part of a whole company [ie Hummer, Land Rover]). But just like Mitsu, I doubt any company is going to take a huge hit. 2016 will actually probably be an exciting time, I feel like companies are already starting to re-organize and drop old designs to pave the way for new ones (S2000, for example).

[SHIFTT IX MR]

That is an average rating for the car company's entire line-up. If you think you have to worry because your EVO advertises 17mpg for city, how do you think I feel when I get into my Z06 and the best MPG I can achieve in the city is 11, or my Dad's E63 which is averaging between 11 and 16mpg? V12 Benz's get about 13mpg in the city. In the end, a car maker can circumvent this requirement for all vehicles by producing more fuel efficent, or alternative energy vehicles ( if the company is able to achieve 100+ mpg vehicles it's likely the car maker can get away with very little changes in their model line up), than by producing gas hogs. This is key to understanding why suddenly American car makers seemed to nose dive out of the sky, their products were ironicly a spitting image of its consumers (Americans in general): glutenous, slow, and loud. Today's trend is the opposite.

[hotdog]

If you think you have to worry because your EVO advertises 17mpg for city, how do you think I feel when I get into my Z06 and the best MPG I can achieve in the city is 11, or my Dad's E63 which is averaging between 11 and 16mpg?

I think my first thought would probably be something akin to:

"Good gracious me I'm a rich mother. If I'm not out cruising in my Z06, I'm being forced to drive my daddy's E63! I certainly hope I'm not forced to drive my mummy's Hummer tomorrow!"

Frankly, gas mileage would be the least of my thoughts.

[toredefine]

Ethanol would solve this problem. Higher octane, much lower emissions AND the carbon that is emitted is already accounted for in nature. It's not like burning fossil fuels where carbon was trapped for millions+ years and then added into the eco-system.

Not to mention your vehicle lasts much much longer. Ethanol barely breaks into the car.

[Lost Empire]

[quote=WolvieDC;7278259]

Originally Posted by BerserkerX

So lets say that the evo by then gets 25 mpg on the highway. quote]

Mine already does :-)

I drove my Evo to Vegas from Fremont and averaging about 26mpg which is fairly good for Highway mileage ... I believe it is also due to the variable of the weight in your vehicle .. But Cheers to those whom get 25 mph with minor mods

[pmoney559]

Originally Posted by toredefine

Ethanol would solve this problem. Higher octane, much lower emissions AND the carbon that is emitted is already accounted for in nature. It's not like burning fossil fuels where carbon was trapped for millions+ years and then added into the eco-system.

Not to mention your vehicle lasts much much longer. Ethanol barely breaks into the car.

Negative on that one. It requires burning of fossil fuels to make ethanol. I dont remember the exact figures, but the point is that by the time you have made ethanol, the amount of fossil fuels burned will have negated any environmental benefits of the ethanol.

[CMcraz23]

i think the idea of the govt regulating the average mpg to manufacters (sp?) and consumers is a bunch of bs. its our money we should buy whatever we want. I mean theres a small % of people that can afford the exotics...saleens, ferrari, panoz etc...the idea of a tax for a 'guzzler' is discrimination in my eyes and a poor excuse to steal our money (of course thats what it all comes down too) but for real if you can afford a pagani or a saleen there shouldnt be a CAFE tax or guzzler tax.

[MajorGunHo]

Much like the OP, also being a diesel fan, I actually would love to see some version of a diesel evo, maybe a little more performance based than the jetta, but even if it got 30 mpg and was tunable, that would be pretty awesome. I think that would probably attract a pretty interesting crowd haha

[PaperClip]

I dont know how u guys do but I get 31 highway and about 18 to 22 city and I love boost.
mods full 3inch turbo back+no cat, o2 housing, apexi air intake, xts intercooler kit+pipes, hallman boost controller, fixed throtle body seals, ngk cheap copper plugs, and a stage 2 single disk, and self tuned

[06njsti]

diesels need to get here soon, this time next year jeep will be releasing a diesel wrangler and subaru is expected to release a diesel version of the forester.