Problem with TC SST / Why 5 MT ?

Lock & Load · Oct 12, 2007, 04:11 PM

Reading the November 2007 Motor mag in Australia Journalist... David Morley pointed out a few potentially concerning issues and theorys with the EVO X .

With the TC SST He states :

"The only glitch i can see is a tendency for the gearbox to get hot and start short-shifting in deference to its oil temperature ( two cars did it to me and it wasnt a particularly hot day )

Should this be a concern for TC SST OWNERS ?..........what do you guys think ?

About the 5MT gearbox he says .

"Mitsubishis engineers reckon weight is the reason for the move from six back to five cogs , but the more cynical among us (me,for instance)......smell a different sort of rodent .

Think about it : if you have gone to the trouble of developing a whizz-bang new clutchless box ,you have to make sure that its quicker than a conventional manual right ?
So the best way to do that is to hobble the regular manual gearbox by spacing the gears further apart ."

Has Mitsubishi deliberately HOBBLED the manual in order to make the TC SST Faster ? What do you guys think ?

Cheers
Michael

evo542 · Oct 12, 2007, 04:17 PM

they space it further apart so it's not at 4,000rpms and only going 80mph in 5th gear

j14mp · Oct 12, 2007, 04:23 PM

we'll see!

zippo · Oct 12, 2007, 04:34 PM

Remember that the TCSST gearbox is still undergoing final testing since its not completely tuned yet. I'm sure that when it goes on sale (only the 5 speed M/T is being sold at the moment) it will be as good if not even better than VWs DSG.

Stangar · Oct 12, 2007, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evo542

they space it further apart so it's not at 4,000rpms and only going 80mph in 5th gear

Sorry. Wrong. But close.

At 4000 rpms the speed is 82.8 at 4000 rpm with the 5 speed manual.

This was computed using the speed/rpm calculator at:

http://www.car-videos.com

It's correct. You input tire size, gear ratios, and rear differential gear and you get 82.8 mph in fifth. I've used it many times and it produces "spot on" results.

By the way, the SST will provide 93.8 mph in sixth at 4000 rpm.

This isn't good.

RayH · Oct 12, 2007, 08:01 PM

I would think with the extra shifting needed you would see an even larger advantage with the TC SST over a 6-speed manual than a 5-speed.

Turb0flat4 · Oct 12, 2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock & Load

Has Mitsubishi deliberately HOBBLED the manual in order to make the TC SST Faster ? What do you guys think ?

Cheers
Michael

Interesting take, certainly logical altho' a bit of a conspiracy theory. The other issue is the fact that the Evo X has (so far) been proven to be faster than only the USDM IX on a roadcourse. The USDM IX is really a crippled version compared to the JDM IX (which I do get here in my home country). Until Best Motoring comes up with a video of back to back testing of the X against the JDM IX, I will remain unconvinced of the new car's worth.

gunzo · Oct 12, 2007, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock & Load

Reading the November 2007 Motor mag in Australia Journalist... David Morley pointed out a few potentially concerning issues and theorys with the EVO X .

With the TC SST He states :

"The only glitch i can see is a tendency for the gearbox to get hot and start short-shifting in deference to its oil temperature ( two cars did it to me and it wasnt a particularly hot day )

Should this be a concern for TC SST OWNERS ?..........what do you guys think ?

Cheers
Michael

That is a true concern .. I think the techs can't have overlooked this?? they have 2 versions of the automatic evos and they still didn't learn anything about it ?????

The autos can't last 10 minutes even with an OE transmission cooler on a road track ..

Anyways .. if you didn't hear about it .. the SSTs were recalled before sale .. now launch for the SST is delayed again ..

billyblonco · Oct 12, 2007, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunzo

That is a true concern .. I think the techs can't have overlooked this?? they have 2 versions of the automatic evos and they still didn't learn anything about it ?????

The autos can't last 10 minutes even with an OE transmission cooler on a road track ..

Anyways .. if you didn't hear about it .. the SSTs were recalled before sale .. now launch for the SST is delayed again ..

THIS IS WHY I WONT BE THE FIRST TO BUY ONE ILL JUST WAIT UNIL THEY GET THE BUGS WORKED OUT.

Mystique · Oct 12, 2007, 11:29 PM

They should have released a traditional six speed manual.

jackygor · Oct 13, 2007, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystique

They should have released a traditional six speed manual.

they gotta leave room for improvements. Maybe in the XI we ll see 6 speed manual.

RickU · Oct 13, 2007, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stangar

Sorry. Wrong. But close.

At 4000 rpms the speed is 82.8 at 4000 rpm with the 5 speed manual.

This was computed using the speed/rpm calculator at:

http://www.car-videos.com

It's correct. You input tire size, gear ratios, and rear differential gear and you get 82.8 mph in fifth. I've used it many times and it produces "spot on" results.

By the way, the SST will provide 93.8 mph in sixth at 4000 rpm.

This isn't good.

you sure is 82.8 and not 82.7986? Go check again!

Lock & Load · Oct 13, 2007, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunzo

That is a true concern .. I think the techs can't have overlooked this?? they have 2 versions of the automatic evos and they still didn't learn anything about it ?????

The autos can't last 10 minutes even with an OE transmission cooler on a road track ..

Anyways .. if you didn't hear about it .. the SSTs were recalled before sale .. now launch for the SST is delayed again ..

Can you direct me to this information relating to the recall and the delaying of the TC SST lauch ?

I heard that there was a 2 month delay , guess it makes sense now , they may be having overheating problems .

DRAGHICI · Oct 13, 2007, 10:18 AM

boy wont it be fun when you pull up to someone and they say wow new EVO huh?
then you say its a 5 speed
lol

FLK · Oct 13, 2007, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock & Load

Can you direct me to this information relating to the recall and the delaying of the TC SST lauch ?

I heard that there was a 2 month delay , guess it makes sense now , they may be having overheating problems .

It's not a recall, that's BS. How is that possible when the SST was never released in the first place. The SST mitsu let journalists test-drive is not even a finished product.

The reviews state that the launch control was not ready or tuned therefore I can reasonably infer that it was a prototype. What is up with some of you distorting every damn thing to make the X look bad.

What else is interesting is that not a single review i've seen yet clocked the evo the proper way to get 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. Every mag says the 5 sec or whatever time they got was from either looking at their watch or it was told to them by the mitsu reps. Asians are very humble and rarely exagerate when it comes to launching new models' specs.
Their mentality is to wow and impress after you buy something; rather than the typical american mentality of hype marketing where you receive a product and realize how weak it is.