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			<title>Yet Another Direct Port Thread</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:43:03 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Looking to go with a direct port setup, but have a couple questions first.  Currently I'm running dual nozzles with an HS5 setup (ie aquamist).  The nozzles screw into an adapter that I can't find a part number on.  It's the same thing the blanking plug would screw into if you dediced to remove a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Looking to go with a direct port setup, but have a couple questions first.  Currently I'm running dual nozzles with an HS5 setup (ie aquamist).  The nozzles screw into an adapter that I can't find a part number on.  It's the same thing the blanking plug would screw into if you dediced to remove a nozzle.  What's the purpose of this adapter?  Why not just mount the nozzles directly into the IC piping or manifold runner?  Since the original kit came with the adapter, that's why I used them.  {thumbup}<br />
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I've seen a lot of people start this, but haven't found a thread with anyone who finished.  Has anyone in the evo community finished this project and would like to share their impressions/results?</div>

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			<dc:creator>dubbleugly01</dc:creator>
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			<title>What is the real difference between Aquamist and ...</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:41:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>The differences between an  
 
*Aquamist PWM -V system (Pulse Width Modulated - Valve) * 
and  
*PPS system (Progressive Pump Speed).*</description>
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<font color="DarkRed"><font size="2">The differences between an <br />
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<b><font size="3">Aquamist PWM -V system (Pulse Width Modulated - Valve) </font></b><br />
and </font><br />
<b><font size="3">PPS system (Progressive Pump Speed).</font></b><br />
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<b><font color="DarkRed">Delivery method:</font></b><br />
<b>- PPS system:</b> controls flow by changing pump speed.   <br />
<b>- PWM-V system:</b> controls flow by pulsing an inline valve (same principle as the OE <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection#Functional_description" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">fuel injection system</font></a>)<br />
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<b><font color="DarkRed">Atomisation:</font></b><br />
<b>- PPS system:</b> low flow = low pressure = <a href="http://s1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/Aquamist-videos/?action=view&amp;current=PPS-S.flv" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">poor atomisation</font></a> (video)<br />
<b>- PWM-V system:</b> constant pressure at any flow = <a href="http://s1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/Aquamist-videos/?action=view&amp;current=PWM-V.flv" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">constant good atomisation</font>.</a> (video)<br />
<font color="DarkRed"><i><u>Consequences</u>: </i></font><i><br />
Poor atomisation results in large droplets resulting in uneven fluid entering each cylinder. <br />
Modern manifolds are not designed for transporting fluid loaded air.</i>  <br />
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<b><font color="DarkRed">Response time:</font></b><br />
<b>- PPS system:</b> slow response due to rotational inertia of the pump. typically between 0.1 to 0.5 second.<br />
<b>- PWM-V system:</b> Fast response time. typically within 0.003 second.   <br />
<font color="darkred"><i><u>Consequences</u>: </i></font><i><br />
<a href="http://forums.evolutionm.net/water-alcohol-injection-nos/185062-problems-tuning-meth-help.html" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">In consistency</font></a> in Air-fuel ratio  under transient load due to the pump's inability to change speed. <br />
A rotating mass has ample inertia resulting in after-spray <a href="http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff172/slowcarIX/?action=view&amp;current=A.flv" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">dribble</font></a>.</i> (video)<br />
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<b><font color="DarkRed">Dynamic range:</font></b><br />
<b>- PPS system:</b> only produce 2x between 50-200 psi. (A typical PPS system operating pressure range)  <br />
<b>- PWM-V system:</b> comfortably manages x10 minimum flow range between 0-100% duty cycle  <br />
<font color="DarkRed"><i><u>Consequences</u>:</i> </font><i><br />
Without the dynamic range, PPS system can only operate in a narrow power range of <a href="http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=820079&amp;page=2" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">2x</font></a>. Not really ideal for Daily Driver. </i><br />
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<b><font color="DarkRed">Linearity:</font></b><br />
<b>- PPS system:</b> A linear &quot;pressure&quot; increase does not produce a linear &quot;flow&quot; through an atomisation nozzle. Error can be as much as 120%+. <br />
<b>- PWM-V system:</b> <a href="http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/282469-aquamist-large-pump-meth-kit-review-tuning-notes.html" target="_blank"><font color="Blue">Flow linearity</font></a> is in the region of 5%, can be improved by a custom designed valve on request.     <br />
<font color="darkred"><i><u>Consequences</u>:</i></font><i><br />
Wacky AFR under different load and engine speed is common - nightmare to tune. </i><br />
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<b><font color="DarkRed">Cost considerations:</font></b><br />
<b>- PPS system:</b> It is basically a motor speed controller, design cost is low. Regardless of how many gizmos are included. <br />
<b>- PWM-V system:</b> Each PWM valve individually calibrated by technicians to ensure flow consistency under harsh engine bay environments. Cost is high.  <br />
<font color="darkred"><i><u>Consequences</u>:  </i></font><i><br />
PWM-V system production cost is high. PPS systems are normally 30% lower to produce. But overall performance is 5x poorer.</i><br />
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<font size="1"><i><div align="center"><font color="DarkRed">I will be undating more links and videos to support the above statements - may not be immediate but it will be done.</font></div></i></font></div>

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			<dc:creator>Richard L</dc:creator>
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			<title>Meth or Alcohol?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:49:21 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Which do u guys think is better? And what brand system is the best? im new to the evo game and never had anyexperiance with meth or alcohol. any info will be great apprecated thanks.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Which do u guys think is better? And what brand system is the best? im new to the evo game and never had anyexperiance with meth or alcohol. any info will be great apprecated thanks.</div>

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			<dc:creator>snakebite</dc:creator>
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			<title>Water/Meth Injection</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:40:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hey All, 
 
Im currently building my 2003 Evo VIII. 
 
2.3L 
Built Heads w/ Kelford TX272 
Trust T67-25G turbocharger 
Haltech Platnum Sport 2000 Standalone 
MAP REV 3 intake 
MIL.SPEC 65mm throttle</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hey All,<br />
<br />
Im currently building my 2003 Evo VIII.<br />
<br />
2.3L<br />
Built Heads w/ Kelford TX272<br />
Trust T67-25G turbocharger<br />
Haltech Platnum Sport 2000 Standalone<br />
MAP REV 3 intake<br />
MIL.SPEC 65mm throttle<br />
<br />
Basically, what I would like to do is set up my ECU to control boost and run dual maps. (like what the tephra maps can do with the stock ecu).<br />
<br />
Things I would like to know is;<br />
<br />
-If I build with higher compression, is it possible to run the water/meth at cruise on low flow? Would this effect things?<br />
-What about running the water/meth on high load before it comes onto boost to try and get the turbo to spool quicker?? <br />
<br />
Basically I would like to run it at 22psi on pump with a higher compression (9.5~10.0) and then 28~30psi with the water meth running. With the fail safes swapping to the lower boost map.<br />
<br />
Is this possible? Does anyone run water meth on cruise??</div>

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			<dc:creator>Tonba</dc:creator>
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