EVO X acceleration ? for previous EVO owners

[Brijen123]

Originally Posted by derekste

who cares which is faster stock? you've owned 3 Evos... don't tell me they all stayed stock.

I modded the first two

[Brijen123]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

I was riding BRR Racing's Porsche GT3 today. No issue with a NA 6 cylinder there.

The best turbo car I have felt was my GT-R... and that's because it felt more like a NA engine.

Oh man I am so jealous, GT3 is my dream car N/A 6 cylinder that rev's to 8,500 rpm's and is just raw NA power and pure beauty. GT-R's are sick cars but I dont like the fact that they don't offer them in a standard manual transmission. I have nothing against NA I just feel Turbo should feel like Turbo and NA like NA.

[Brijen123]

Originally Posted by UT_Evo

I loved the acceleration in my C4, and it was hardly a GT3 like the above example. Feeling like an NA 6 cylinder the Evo X does not, my STi is more like that and it still isn't there. But it certainly is more like an NA 6 cyl than the old Evos. That is the kick in the back. It's going to be fast for sure, you gain power, but you gain weight, that's where you lose (not loose) acceleration capabilities. It will still feel like a turbo car (that is the kick in the back) but less so than the old Evo you knew. If that is a bad thing to you, then there's an easy fix: get a large turbo in the X, the lag will be back, as well as the kick in the back and the "feeling" of power.

This is great info, I actually owned an Sti as well and preferred my Evo's by far. Sti is a great car but totally different then an Evo and its just personal preference I guess that I perfer the way an evo drives and looks.

[UT_Evo]

Originally Posted by Brijen123

I have nothing against NA I just feel Turbo should feel like Turbo and NA like NA.

Have you driven a 335i at all? If not, go test drive one. I think you might be surprised at how wonderful a properly set up twin-turbo V6 feels. Like NA, but instead of feeling like a V6 it feels like a V10. God I love that car. If I don't have the money to have the car/s I truly want, I want my next car to be a 335xi convertible. That way I have nearly everything I want in one car.

Originally Posted by Brijen123

This is great info, I actually owned an Sti as well and preferred my Evo's by far. Sti is a great car but totally different then an Evo and its just personal preference I guess that I perfer the way an evo drives and looks.

Well there you go. Jeremy Clarkson said it best: The X is much more STi like (daily driveable, less turbo lag, less "kick in the back," etc) than the old ones. So much so that he said that while before you'd buy the STi for DD and VIII/IX for the track, now you'd be better off just buying the X for everything.

The feeling of having a turbo comes from having no power as the turbo spools. All you have to do to bring that back is make it harder to get the turbo to spool. I am no turbo expert, but I would guess that a 20g or similar would put the X right where you wanted it. Problem for you is that not many of the average consumers like that feeling, so like we've all said, they've worked that out of the X as best as they could, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2010 is quicker but even smoother. That always tends to be the goal of companies making turbo'd cars, just look at the engine and turbo placement on the X compared to the other Evos, or like the new Legacy with the turbo right off the manifold down near the ground for quicker spool.

[Brijen123]

Originally Posted by UT_Evo

Have you driven a 335i at all? If not, go test drive one. I think you might be surprised at how wonderful a properly set up twin-turbo V6 feels. Like NA, but instead of feeling like a V6 it feels like a V10. God I love that car. If I don't have the money to have the car/s I truly want, I want my next car to be a 335xi convertible. That way I have nearly everything I want in one car.



Well there you go. Jeremy Clarkson said it best: The X is much more STi like (daily driveable, less turbo lag, less "kick in the back," etc) than the old ones. So much so that he said that while before you'd buy the STi for DD and VIII/IX for the track, now you'd be better off just buying the X for everything.

The feeling of having a turbo comes from having no power as the turbo spools. All you have to do to bring that back is make it harder to get the turbo to spool. I am no turbo expert, but I would guess that a 20g or similar would put the X right where you wanted it. Problem for you is that not many of the average consumers like that feeling, so like we've all said, they've worked that out of the X as best as they could, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2010 is quicker but even smoother. That always tends to be the goal of companies making turbo'd cars, just look at the engine and turbo placement on the X compared to the other Evos, or like the new Legacy with the turbo right off the manifold down near the ground for quicker spool.

Again good info here and I have test driven a 135i which has the same motor as the 335i only problem is the only one they had to test drive was automatic and a convertible which weighs more then the coupe but it was quick and very smooth like a V6 engine like you said. Another car I was looking into is the 370z Nismo have you test driven one of those by chance? I am curious how that car compares to the EVO X. Also I understand why they put the turboright off the manifold for quicker spook but that just takes away from top end unless you get a bigger turbo like you said

[Noize]

Originally Posted by UT_Evo

Have you driven a 335i at all? If not, go test drive one. I think you might be surprised at how wonderful a properly set up twin-turbo V6 feels.

Inline six, son!
I know you well enough to know you already know better.

On the other topic, I don't think an Evo X feels like a NA six at all. The turbo is decently sized for top end power, and its hard to hide the fact its a 2 liter engine by the total lack of anything below 3k.

Its less abrupt because it has a better factory curve. Its slightly slower because its heavier. The X power and torque curves on a dyno are flat out better.

[sodaz]

Originally Posted by Brijen123

What a let down, did you ride in a 2008 Evo X apposed to a 2010 because the 2010 is supposed to be much quicker with the revisions that were made?

I've driven both. The 2010 model has less of a dead spot in the top end but it's still not nearly as thrilling as the IX in terms of power delivery.

[UT_Evo]

My bad Noize... That's what happens when you are in a hurry. Honest mistake. Least I got the cylinders right! And yeah, by no means does the X feel like a 6-cyl, but it feels more like a 6-cyl (in terms of smooth powerband) than the older Evos.

But you summed up everything in your little post best. That's about the just of it.

[gunzo]

Originally Posted by Noize

On the other topic, I don't think an Evo X feels like a NA six at all. The turbo is decently sized for top end power, and its hard to hide the fact its a 2 liter engine by the total lack of anything below 3k.

Its less abrupt because it has a better factory curve. Its slightly slower because its heavier. The X power and torque curves on a dyno are flat out better.

Noize - you mash your throttle at 2000rpms at 5th gear like me ??
Its none linear definitely .. but its better than alot of NA cars .. and the closer ratios actually does hide abit of that lag ..

OT - I like your avatar .. WHO AM I cut ??

Brijen123 - Seems like you already have formed an opinion in your mind .. you're just looking for comfort or relieve .. don't know which

Just go test drive it yourself .. I made up my mind before I sold my VII to buy the X ... and my 1st test drive was a total letdown .. but now if you ask me again if I made the wrong choice .. I say you can have your 7/8/9 .. I'll stick with my X

[Noize]

Originally Posted by gunzo

Noize - you mash your throttle at 2000rpms at 5th gear like me ??


OT - I like your avatar .. WHO AM I cut ??

Yes and yes!
Thanks man.

[JayTac]

Speaking of weight, obviously one of the big selling points of the X is how well it handles, could a large part of that be due to the weight of the car which is essentially providing more down force? Of course an even bigger factor is credited to the active AWD control, but would taking off a significant amount of weight still have a negative impact on the handling of the X? With most cars they tend to get a bit more loose/erratic, but I don’t think that would happen with the way the X is setup. What do you guys think?

[UT_Evo]

I'd attribute all, if not more than all, of the handling to the SAWC. Lowering the weight does lower the normal force, which lowers the friction force... But, the flip side is that less friction is needed to keep the car in place, since it weighs less.

[jazket]

Originally Posted by Brijen123

Oh man I am so jealous, GT3 is my dream car N/A 6 cylinder that rev's to 8,500 rpm's and is just raw NA power and pure beauty. GT-R's are sick cars but I dont like the fact that they don't offer them in a standard manual transmission. I have nothing against NA I just feel Turbo should feel like Turbo and NA like NA.

If the GT3 is your dream car (mine being the GT2) then stop your dream and rethink reality, cause the Porsche's 2010 Turbo is the actual king now... it sucks, cause the Turbo is cheaper than both GT2 and GT3, but they made it faster than the more expensive ones! sick! but the GT2 still looks like it's going to take off!

[Brijen123]

Originally Posted by jazket

If the GT3 is your dream car (mine being the GT2) then stop your dream and rethink reality, cause the Porsche's 2010 Turbo is the actual king now... it sucks, cause the Turbo is cheaper than both GT2 and GT3, but they made it faster than the more expensive ones! sick! but the GT2 still looks like it's going to take off!

I would take any of the 3 in a heart beat but unfortunatly cannot afford any of them . I am looking into the 370z Nismo as well has anyone test driven one of these?

[monkey_187]

I also feel that the X is not as powerful as the previous Evos. If you are talking stock then IMO now that I own a X it feels less powerful. All that can be changed with aftermarket parts and a good tune.