Model Info: 2010 Evolution X - Page 22

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 11:50 AM

Upgrading the turbo would cost Mitsu a lot of $$$ in production cost. The cheapest way for them to squeeze out 30 more HP is a better tune, cuz that will practically cost them nothing. It has already been known for sometime that there will be no mechanical changes for the coming 2010 models.

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It's a known fact that both current GSRs & MRs have $h1tty pig rich factory tunes... it's also a known fact that the MR is slower on a straight line compared to the GSR because of its heavier weight even though they basically put out the same crank HP (291). It would be logical for them to improve the MR's tune, thus increasing the horsepower a little bit.... so on the 2010s, the MR wouldn't be slower than a GSR anymore... so GSR owners can stop bashing MR owners about how slow "off the line" the MR is. Easy to comprehend if Mitsu is actually doing this for the new models to compensate for even more weight on the MRs since those are getting sunroofs & addittional gizmos. Think about it!

heavyD · Jul 31, 2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tipoytm

Upgrading the turbo would cost Mitsu a lot of $$$ in production cost. The cheapest way for them to squeeze out 30 more HP is a better tune, cuz that will practically cost them nothing. It has already been known for sometime that there will be no mechanical changes for the coming 2010 models.

Upgrading with another turbo wouldn't cost that much at all and it's no different than Subaru upgrading the turbocharger and downpipes in the 09 WRX. Second of all they have probably had more than one prototype turbocharger before the original cars were introduced and have been testing different turbochargers since the car has been introduced in 08 as carmakers never stand pat. Third of all they don't really outsource their turbochargers like most automakers have to.

Considering how conservative the tunes were on the 08/09's and the 2010 GSR appears to be a similar conservative tune it makes no sense to go with an aggresive tune on the MR which has a weaker transmission. It would make more sense to go with a higher flowing turbocharger and tune it rich from there to keep their safety factor in place.

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 12:29 PM

^ changing the turbo on the MR will just upset the GSR owners. And for you to say it won't cost Mitsu a lot to change the turbo... think again. It's not only about manufacturing a major part like a turbo kit, but they have to put in a lot more R&D, testing hours, reliability tests, lots of resources to be used just to change one major mechanical part. The crappy stock tune has a lot of headroom, and that would logically be the first thing they'll tap into to get more performance out of the car.

Look at the FQ-330 in Europe (36 more HP than ours):

http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/05/20...n-extra-36-hp/

" The FQ-330 SST model utilises a breathing kit and ECU re-map to accomplish its enhanced power output, and has been systematically tested over the past 6 months to achieve successful results. This power upgrade noticeably improves not only the acceleration, but also significantly enhances the drive."

Breathing Kit = bigger intake maybe? Certainly not a bigger turbo

heavyD · Jul 31, 2009, 12:36 PM

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^ changing the turbo on the MR will just upset the GSR owners. And for you to say it won't cost Mitsu a lot to change the turbo... think again. It's not only about manufacturing a major part like a turbo kit, but they have to put in a lot more R&D, testing hours, reliability tests, lots of resources to be used just to change one major mechanical part. The crappy stock tune has a lot of headroom, and that would logically be the first thing they'll tap into tto get more performance out of the car.

Dude they are continually testing and R&Ding these cars. They don't build them and then and then move to the entire team to designing the next generation models. The cars have been out for a few years now. They know a lot more about the reliability now than when they launched the cars with the original turbos. You will never convince me that they are simply tuning the MR more aggresively as they don't do things that way. They have to maintain a safety factor for warranty purposes.

BTW: The FQ's aren't factory Mitsubishi so it's not a valid comparison and we all know that a tune maks a big difference in these cars but those tunes will void your warranty as well. Mitsubishi is warrantying the 2010 MR's.

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 12:39 PM

^ read the article I linked above, that should make it clearer for you :P

The only time Mitsu changed the Turbo on the Evo X is on the FQ-400.

heavyD · Jul 31, 2009, 12:42 PM

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^ read the article I linked above, that should make it clearer for you :P

The only time Mitsu changed the Turbo on the Evo X is on the FQ-400.

Mitsu didn't make those changes LOL.

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 12:49 PM

^ even though Mitsu outsourced the modifications on the FQ series, it doesn't mean they can't do the same thing on their USDM production Evos.

My bet is still on no mechanical changes as what was already mentioned by several threads (which officially came from Mitsu reps) for the 2010s. Speculate more if you like but for sure, we will find out in a couple of months.

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 12:51 PM

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BTW: The FQ's aren't factory Mitsubishi so it's not a valid comparison and we all know that a tune maks a big difference in these cars but those tunes will void your warranty as well. Mitsubishi is warrantying the 2010 MR's.

How will a revised factory tune/ECU remap done by Mitsubishi themselves void their own warranty? /facepalm

heavyD · Jul 31, 2009, 01:01 PM

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BTW: The FQ's aren't factory Mitsubishi so it's not a valid comparison and we all know that a tune maks a big difference in these cars but those tunes will void your warranty as well. Mitsubishi is warrantying the 2010 MR's.

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How will a revised factory tune/ECU remap done by Mitsubishi themselves void their own warranty? /facepalm

Reading owns you.

heavyD · Jul 31, 2009, 01:03 PM

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^ even though Mitsu outsourced the modifications on the FQ series, it doesn't mean they can't do the same thing on their USDM production Evos.

My bet is still on no mechanical changes as what was already mentioned by several threads (which officially came from Mitsu reps) for the 2010s. Speculate more if you like but for sure, we will find out in a couple of months.

Who have been proven to know nothing most of the time. I agree though it's all speculation at the moment in regards to any changes in the MR tune or hardware.

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 01:07 PM

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Reading owns you.

I don't see your point or you are not making yourself clear... you are saying a tune voids warranty, we already know that... this only holds true IF the tune is done by a shop or by the owner. But IF Mitsubishi themselves re-tune or re-map their own ECU, how would that void any warranty?

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 01:31 PM

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Upgrading with another turbo wouldn't cost that much at all and it's no different than Subaru upgrading the turbocharger and downpipes in the 09 WRX.

Do you even have a way to back up your statements? Do you have a degree in Industrial Engineering or experience with Manufacturing Management to say that "it won't cost much at all" to change a major mechanical part in a production car?

I'm just glad they didn't put someone with your logic to manage Mitsubishi's manufacturing/production division, else they would be bankrupt a long time ago.

gizmotoy · Jul 31, 2009, 01:41 PM

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Do you even have a way to back up your statements? Do you have a degree in Industrial Engineering or experience with Manufacturing Management to say that "it won't cost much at all" to change a major mechanical part in a production car?

+1. Having two different parts costs them money, even if they cost the exact same to make. There's a reason our car shares a lot of the interior parts with the base Lancer, and automakers reuse chassis platforms across multiple models.

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I'm just glad they didn't put someone with your logic to manage Mitsubishi's manufacturing/production division, else they would be bankrupt a long time ago.

Maybe they did, and that's why they're in such bad shape.

I got something like 50hp out of my tune. There's plenty of room to safely bump up the MR by 30hp with only a tune.

heavyD · Jul 31, 2009, 01:42 PM

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Do you even have a way to back up your statements? Do you have a degree in Industrial Engineering or experience with Manufacturing Management to say that "it won't cost much at all" to change a major mechanical part in a production car?

I'm just glad they didn't put someone with your logic to manage Mitsubishi's manufacturing/production division, else they would be bankrupt a long time ago.

Constant changes and developement are all part of the business. Having MHI modify a current turbocharger design obviously costs money but it's part of the operations and would never contribute to the company going bankrupt lol. The MR price has gone up as well and it's not due only to heated seats and a new console. You are starting to take this thread out of topic. Please PM me forward as it's getting embaressing.

tipoytm · Jul 31, 2009, 01:47 PM

^ LOL have you even owned & operated a business before? How could "operations" not affect the financial health of a company?? EVERYTHING affects a company no matter what, especially if it involves COST.