~ EVO X : AEM - WORKS - INJEN Intake Shootout: Round 1

[smgevo]

Another great thread with thoughtful research and unbiased tested results that is on a path of being closed down by the moderators if this doesn't stop. This topic has been beaten to death in other threads in the past and is not new news to most of us on the forum. TTP has stated their position once again that they don't like AEM's design technique in creating this particular intake system. Let's please just leave it at that and not continue to bash the product. TTP, maybe you can just post a link to the other threads that discuss your concerns and position in the matter. That way this thread can continue to thrive for those of us that don't have a problem with the design of the AEM product. Thank you.

Regardless of the way any product arrives at its end result, this test and the future testing of any other "intake system" will provide us all with useful information and the revelation that hp and tq can be had for very little money. Thank you evo_soul for spending your valuable time and effort for the betterment of the Evo X community.

[rocket_man]

I'm going to have to agree that the tests are not skewed. That fact about the AEM is a built in advantage to having it instead of the other intakes at this level. It's kinda like racing a stock civic against a stock EVO and the civic owner complaining that the EVO is turbocharged. Well, they're both fourbangers it's just that Mitsubishi chose to put a turbo on theirs.

[ringmaster]

No mention of filter quality? I will take the AEM Dry Flow anyday

[tvieira24]

I'd like to see some boost logs as well if they are available.

[TTP Engineering]

Originally Posted by tvieira24

I'd like to see some boost logs as well if they are available.

You're on the right track.

[droppinbottom]

TTP are you upset that the other intake companies did not think of what AEM did? Seems to me that AEM put a little more thought into their product that gives them a advantage. No matter what your opinion is they developed a product that does what it is supposed to do.

I am no big fan of AEM but I can not hate on them for thinking of a way to give them a advantage. Any other manufacture could of done the exact same thing.

Edit* Since you (TTP) have access to a dyno why don't you get a donor vehicle and do your own testing. Then you can have hard facts of what you wish to show. And I mean no harm to you for what I have said so please no one take offense to this as it is soly my opinion and thoughts.

[saytheb]

Originally Posted by TTP Engineering

The original line does NOT plug into the same location. The original LINE, becomes TWO LINES, the splitter is removed and one line is run to each boost control solenoid. Larger inside diameter lines to the intake are provided by AEM purposely to suck more than twice the signal AWAY from the wastegate signal, in turn raising the boost.

Any mechanically inclined enthusiast with knowledge of turbochargers, wastegates and boost control solenoids will understand the concept.

Hahahaha! Wow. Just.. wow. Anyway.

Laughing at such a snide remark aside; I will admit that TTP is correct in that AEM uses two separate lines with the removal of the splitter, and I noticed this earlier when running my X on the Dyno & verifying the boost pill locations, sorry for the miss-information. Either way, great product

[Divinity]

Let's be real here guys. TTP is just expressing a reason that the AEM outperforms the way it does.

What TTP is saying is that AEM is not making the power by lowering the restriction in the intake path. They are increasing boost as well. I don't know enough about the product, so I can't speak for it, but as an engineer, I would have the same things to say about the AEM intake.

In terms of gains on an otherwise stock Evo, AEM takes it! But in terms of improving the flow path in the intake, it's not clear that AEM's intake is better. So again, stock to stock, AEM may very well be the way to go. But after tuning or an MBC, you won't see the same marginal gains. Not to mention it will have an effect on the way you have to tune the car when you're running the stock boost controller.

Why are we attacking TTP for mentioning WHY AEM posts better numbers? I fully agree on this one. All I ask is that you guys step back for a second and look at what TTP is actually saying.

[dcasandman]

Originally Posted by Divinity

Let's be real here guys. TTP is just expressing a reason that the AEM outperforms the way it does.

What TTP is saying is that AEM is not making the power by lowering the restriction in the intake path. They are increasing boost as well. I don't know enough about the product, so I can't speak for it, but as an engineer, I would have the same things to say about the AEM intake.

In terms of gains on an otherwise stock Evo, AEM takes it! But in terms of improving the flow path in the intake, it's not clear that AEM's intake is better. So again, stock to stock, AEM may very well be the way to go. But after tuning or an MBC, you won't see the same marginal gains. Not to mention it will have an effect on the way you have to tune the car when you're running the stock boost controller.

Why are we attacking TTP for mentioning WHY AEM posts better numbers? I fully agree on this one. All I ask is that you guys step back for a second and look at what TTP is actually saying.

This gets so old. In the same thread that we had one vendor saying AEM is creating this extra boost and we had another vendor posting several boost curves with the AEM intake that show no increase in boost. Who cares for this test. In an out of box test the AEM wins for power. That is what the test was designed for was out of the box. Not if I add this boost pill, mbc, or this tuning device with this inake results will be the same for all. This kinda bickering gets old. Some one does a service to the community by running a test on the same car, same conditions, and on the same dyno and all the products do well. Once product makes more power. The test is not flawed cause one product uses engineering to make more power on the stock car.

It seems that some vendors on here just like to create drama it gets extremely old. State your case once then move on. No reason to jump on members that do not agree IMO.

[Laz]

There are mods for all types of cars, and in general, they are ranked based on a ratio. The ratio is price to performance. How much does it cost based on how much performance it gives. The AEM intake may not actually be an above average intake system, but it doesn't matter -- what matters is the price to performance. It gives killer performance for the price.

TTP is right in that the intake system may be average or even below average, but does it matter to the consumer? The consumer wants power for a low price, and that's what the AEM intake does.

[GTR2009]

and where is the injen dyno test ?
I would not use the AEM dry filter in a dusty area, the oil type is much better in filtering small particles.

[evo_soul]

I will be posting a open poll shortly ask EVO X owners what intake options they would like to see along with the INJEN intake that is up next for its trial by fire run.

From the manufacturers we have spoken to, most seem open if not eager to help where they can. Since there is a limited resources for putting on this dyno testing. We want to test what is in Demand. Or even what drives the most controversy.

Dyno day is set for Early / Mid Aug. 2009. Something we strive to do every 6 months. This winter we intend to move on to Exhaust Testing.

Originally Posted by GTR2009

and where is the injen dyno test ?
I would not use the AEM dry filter in a dusty area, the oil type is much better in filtering small particles.

To answer the question. I wouldnt expect any company to release an alternative type of filtration if it wasnt equal or better than the conventional oil type. I am pretty sure they were using oil based filters before right? I havent owned an AEM in the past, but i think thats what they were 3+ years ago.

anyone shed light on this?

[Hassan!]

This thread made me to buy AEM

[DarwinX]

I love my AEM intake. I'll take a box over a shield anyday.

[saimike]

great post, awesome info.

ps. great pic, DarwinX ... perhaps on the next dyno test, OP can include similar pictures