Blouch Dominator II vs FP Red - Pros/Cons

mrdecibel · Feb 9, 2009, 01:37 PM

Ready to pull the trigger on my next round of upgrades, but need some more info regarding the path for the turbo. I have read countless posts about both the Blouch Dom II and the FP Red and all seem to get very positive reviews. What are the real differences between the two in real world terms.

Is one better for pump gas?
Is one better at spooling up?
Which is closest to stock spool?

My personal objective is to have a fast reliable pump gas X. I prefer stock like manners but with power upon desire. I have no desires to track the car either drag or on a road course. Driveability is very important for me. The turbo install would include fuel injectors and a re-tune. Any help is greatly appreciated. Those with personal experience with either on the X please post your comparisons in regards to stock driveability.

lexat20 · Feb 9, 2009, 01:45 PM

I believe I just read this morning that CBRD has a new turbo, stock style, that he is currently working on, searching....

spdracerut · Feb 9, 2009, 02:04 PM

The better question would be, what are the mechanical differences? I think the Blouch uses Garrett compressor and turbine wheels from the GT3076 (76mm compressor, 60mm turbine). I don't know what size wheels are in the Red. I would add the third option, one of the two Garrett options (3071 or 3076).

mrdecibel · Feb 10, 2009, 04:09 PM

Anyone have some information to share?

06MREvo · Feb 10, 2009, 04:12 PM

i know someone that has one but i haven't been cleared to give info out...haha...sorry guys...

Guru · Feb 11, 2009, 12:47 PM

Both seem to spool up very similarly but the Red outflows the Blouch turbos by a large margin. Expect full boost around 3800ish RPM give or take. Injectors required with eitehr one. It's a no brainer to go with the Red considering the pricing is pretty close. I'd never deal with Blouch ever again, but that is another story. . . .

flyboytb · Feb 11, 2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Both seem to spool up very similarly but the Red outflows the Blouch turbos by a large margin. Expect full boost around 3800ish RPM give or take. Injectors required with eitehr one. It's a no brainer to go with the Red considering the pricing is pretty close. I'd never deal with Blouch ever again, but that is another story. . . .

well in light of your obvious bias opinion do you have any factual evidance I.E. fow rates and boost charts for both turbos with similar supporting mods (for boost charts).

Im not saying I dont belive you. just looking for proof rather than a bias opinion. Which is likely what the OP is looking for also.

Guru · Feb 11, 2009, 03:36 PM

Blouch 2 is 52 lbs/min. FP Red is 60 lbs per min pproximately.

mrdecibel · Feb 12, 2009, 03:57 PM

So anyone else with any info regarding the spool up performance between the two? If spool up is the same, the obvious choice would be the FP Red. Its less expensive and has more power potential. The other consideration is support from the vendor. Am I missing something obvious? Why is there such a difference in price between the two? They both use a stock housing but with different wheels?

If the FP Red and Blouch spool up at 3800, where does stock spool at?

VincentX · Feb 12, 2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Blouch 2 is 52 lbs/min. FP Red is 60 lbs per min pproximately.

So you're saying that the FP Red flows more than the larger framed FP HTA GT3076R, which has the same internal upgrades as the FP Red and is rated at about 57 pounds per minute?

The FP Red flows about the same as the Blouch Dom II, Mr. Guru. You're one serious BS'er.

FP Red:

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...Code=NTEVOXRed

HTA GT3076R:

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...e=Lancer-Turbo

Dennis F · Feb 12, 2009, 06:20 PM

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VincentX · Feb 12, 2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis F

Vincent, have you read any of the posts from FP Red guys who have trapped 140+ mph?

That is 60+ pds per/min territory.

It looks like the Blouch 2 is just a tad bigger then a Green in terms of airflow.

If that's true, that would imply that the FP HTA GT3076R will produce over 650whp? Wow. That would be a turbo that spools faster than a standard GT3076R that produces more power than a standard GT35R. That's mind blowing.....Lies.

Guru · Feb 12, 2009, 08:52 PM

A Green is 49 ln.min correct? Or is it more? A Red is quite a bit larger than a Green. I believe the compressor wheel is a 60-1 or equivalent.

Dennis F · Feb 12, 2009, 08:56 PM

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BlackTrack · Feb 12, 2009, 11:14 PM

Here is a graph of an FP Red on my car, the tune is very conservative as I was headed to California to run it on track for the first time and needed it to be rock solid... A/F ratio's are in high 10's.

Mods:

FP Red
3" TBE
R/C 780cc's
AMS Intake
AMS Intercooler
AMS Intercooler pipe
110oct tune

FP Red vs. Stock Evo X: