BR presents the new FP BLACK HTA82!
Oct 20, 2009, 08:31 AM
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BR presents the new FP BLACK HTA82!
Well there's been a lot of rumors circulating. Speculations and expectations, today the wait is finally over.
FP is nearly ready to release the new EVO Black HTA82.
Specs on the turbo:
68 lb/mn compressor put inside FP's custom compressor cover with surge port. This is the same new cover being used on the Red's that elminate compressor sure and use a 3.25" inlet.
On the turbine side the turbo uses a 67mm turbine wheel, this is 1mm smaller than the GT35r turbine wheel. It uses a modified stock 10.5 EVO turbine housing.
The turbo all comes standard with the heavy duty actuator and the new oil feed line kit. Pricing is set at $1999.
I've been lucky enough to have one for testing and we installed it on Chris's EVO9. The car we used was a full BR build, built shortblock, Stg 3 head, AEM EMS, double pumper, ID2000cc injectors, the car is running regular E85 from a local Sunrise station.
The comparison below is this car on the Red and then on the Black. Yes, some of you will ask "What does it make on a stock car? What does it make on pump gas? What does it make at 20 psi?" My answer before it's even brought up is I don't know until it is done and tested. For now my testing has been on E85, full build and high boost, that's it and any speculation as to what it will make on a lesser set up with less boost will be answered with "LESS POWER AND LESS TORQUE".
Both of the runs below were done at 40 psi of boost. The timing was held consistent and the AFR's (using gas ratios was, 11.8:1 AFR).
The bottom line is the turbo when keeping the tune and boost "the same" was good for 64 whp and 37 ft lbs of torque. As you will see in the graph below the spool up is extremely close with very little lost in low end power. Substantial gains were made from 4500 rpm up.
Here is the dyno sheet:
Next I did some additional tuning. The boost was turned up to 41.4 psi, AFR's leaned out just a bit more to 12.0:1 and I added a few degrees of timing. The peak power then rose to 537/522.
Comparing the 537 whp/522 ft lbs to a full build with an HTA35r on a header in an .82 a/r turbine housing on race gas will make as much as 620'ish. The goal of this turbo was to make about 90% of the T3 HTA82, doing the math that means it would need to make 558 whp. The uncorrected graph from this car actually read 550-535. It's right on the money to the goals Robert at FP had.
Now, let's talk spool up. It is incredible. The new FP Black hits 20 psi at 3806 rpm! For comparison, the HTA82 build we did on Eric's car made 616/513 on Q16 at 41.54 psi, that is uncorrected numbers (no smoothing is what I mean, I do not run any corrections on the dyno at all, ever). His car his 20 psi at 4813 rpm, that's almost exactly 1,000 rpm sooner with the Black.
Chris took his car to the track Saturday, I did not know he was going, the plan was to meet him there to final tune the car, I left the car "roughed in" knowing I was going to the track with him. The AFR's were 11.6:1, boost was at 37 psi. Track conditions were not very good and he said he had no traction. Chris is an excellent driver, power shifting SOB is what he is. For the run Saturday he completely lifted to shift and just ran the car. He managed his best time to date, 10.4 at 134 mph.
Reviewing the logs I am fairly certain in good conditions and Chris driving at his best the car can run 9's.
Of course in a lightened, no headlight, no wipers, small brakes etc., equipped EVO we are going to see some really crazy times, sub-9.50's are not going to be a problem.
I've tried to give all the information I currently have. I've done a limited amount of testing on just one car. As more information comes I will share it.
FP is nearly ready to release the new EVO Black HTA82.
Specs on the turbo:
68 lb/mn compressor put inside FP's custom compressor cover with surge port. This is the same new cover being used on the Red's that elminate compressor sure and use a 3.25" inlet.
On the turbine side the turbo uses a 67mm turbine wheel, this is 1mm smaller than the GT35r turbine wheel. It uses a modified stock 10.5 EVO turbine housing.
The turbo all comes standard with the heavy duty actuator and the new oil feed line kit. Pricing is set at $1999.
I've been lucky enough to have one for testing and we installed it on Chris's EVO9. The car we used was a full BR build, built shortblock, Stg 3 head, AEM EMS, double pumper, ID2000cc injectors, the car is running regular E85 from a local Sunrise station.
The comparison below is this car on the Red and then on the Black. Yes, some of you will ask "What does it make on a stock car? What does it make on pump gas? What does it make at 20 psi?" My answer before it's even brought up is I don't know until it is done and tested. For now my testing has been on E85, full build and high boost, that's it and any speculation as to what it will make on a lesser set up with less boost will be answered with "LESS POWER AND LESS TORQUE".
Both of the runs below were done at 40 psi of boost. The timing was held consistent and the AFR's (using gas ratios was, 11.8:1 AFR).
The bottom line is the turbo when keeping the tune and boost "the same" was good for 64 whp and 37 ft lbs of torque. As you will see in the graph below the spool up is extremely close with very little lost in low end power. Substantial gains were made from 4500 rpm up.
Here is the dyno sheet:
Next I did some additional tuning. The boost was turned up to 41.4 psi, AFR's leaned out just a bit more to 12.0:1 and I added a few degrees of timing. The peak power then rose to 537/522.
Comparing the 537 whp/522 ft lbs to a full build with an HTA35r on a header in an .82 a/r turbine housing on race gas will make as much as 620'ish. The goal of this turbo was to make about 90% of the T3 HTA82, doing the math that means it would need to make 558 whp. The uncorrected graph from this car actually read 550-535. It's right on the money to the goals Robert at FP had.
Now, let's talk spool up. It is incredible. The new FP Black hits 20 psi at 3806 rpm! For comparison, the HTA82 build we did on Eric's car made 616/513 on Q16 at 41.54 psi, that is uncorrected numbers (no smoothing is what I mean, I do not run any corrections on the dyno at all, ever). His car his 20 psi at 4813 rpm, that's almost exactly 1,000 rpm sooner with the Black.
Chris took his car to the track Saturday, I did not know he was going, the plan was to meet him there to final tune the car, I left the car "roughed in" knowing I was going to the track with him. The AFR's were 11.6:1, boost was at 37 psi. Track conditions were not very good and he said he had no traction. Chris is an excellent driver, power shifting SOB is what he is. For the run Saturday he completely lifted to shift and just ran the car. He managed his best time to date, 10.4 at 134 mph.
Reviewing the logs I am fairly certain in good conditions and Chris driving at his best the car can run 9's.
Of course in a lightened, no headlight, no wipers, small brakes etc., equipped EVO we are going to see some really crazy times, sub-9.50's are not going to be a problem.
I've tried to give all the information I currently have. I've done a limited amount of testing on just one car. As more information comes I will share it.
Last edited by David Buschur; Oct 20, 2009 at 08:57 AM.
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Oct 20, 2009, 08:57 AM
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Of course FP will cover it, they have a 12 month warranty and cover a turbo if it fails within that period UNLESS there is bearing material found inside of it showing signs of an engine that is going or went.
We have personally not seen an FP Red or Green fail here at the shop. I keep hearing people talk about it and I know Robert at FP has released a new oil line kit that draws oil directly from the filter housing for more pressure. Tom and Brian's car both ran 9.5's at 145 mph on the Red's and neither one of them had a failure and both of them fed oil from the cylinder head.
We have personally not seen an FP Red or Green fail here at the shop. I keep hearing people talk about it and I know Robert at FP has released a new oil line kit that draws oil directly from the filter housing for more pressure. Tom and Brian's car both ran 9.5's at 145 mph on the Red's and neither one of them had a failure and both of them fed oil from the cylinder head.
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I know FP would be the most proper to answer this question, but since you two work close, I figured I would throw this out there:
Can a Stock VIII turbo be sent in to be converted to a Black? Reason being is the VIII I have has a 10.5, but small compressor cover which would be replaced anyhow. I have a IX on my car, and am going to pull the trigger very very soon, but would rather send a turbo that's NOT on the car. If I can send in a VIII turbo, I would send it in immediately.
Can a Stock VIII turbo be sent in to be converted to a Black? Reason being is the VIII I have has a 10.5, but small compressor cover which would be replaced anyhow. I have a IX on my car, and am going to pull the trigger very very soon, but would rather send a turbo that's NOT on the car. If I can send in a VIII turbo, I would send it in immediately.