Fp red budget build what is needed???

[dambikeracer]

Well, on a budget... What I did was, bought a used Red for $1000.00, got FIC Bluemax 1350 injectors for $390.00, Sold my PTE 880's for $200.00, got the FP oil line because FP says you have to $150.00, had Tobz install and re-tune for $450.00, went with new plugs and total fluid change $200. For a grand total of less then $2000.00!!! Now that was on a budget!

I picked up almost a 100WHP at 29.5 PSI on a single 255 pump. I am at less then 80% duty cycle on E-85. I have the stock bottom, head, ECU and don't plan on going up in boost till I build the motor next spring. When your ready to do it, call Tobz! He will take good care of you! Any questions PM me!

[ilikeppie]

now that is the kind of budget im looking for lol now i just have to find a good used red for cheap :/

[EVO8LTW]

Originally Posted by scheides

What size injectors do you currently have?

If you're on a budget, do the CBRD BBK instead. You'll end up spending about $400 less and make just as much power with better bottom-end; that's enough to do a ported exhaust manifold, o2 housing, and all new gaskets/copper washers.

You'll max out 1000cc injectors and single pump, but they'll definitely work. Do FIC 1250's and you'll have plenty of fuel.

Comparo of my car vs a friend's car, BBK vs RED:
http://www.scheides.com/gallery/evo-...6_30_2009_0011
(red line is BBK, green line is fp red)
boost plot:
http://www.scheides.com/gallery/evo-...6_30_2009_0012

So yea, no fancy oil lines or intakes needed, just a basic install kit.

I looked up your mod list and it included a ported head. Did your friend with the Red have a ported head as well?

[Zeus]

This will not turn into "my turbo is bigger than your turbo".

The info is out there, and regardless of people wanting to tout this or that, across the board results are there for the masses.

The OP has asked for suggestions on direction for a particular build, and that's it.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by l2r99gst

scheides,

Can you list the mods of the two cars involved? I'm shopping around for a new turbo and I would like to start getting a good comparison going.

Originally Posted by EVO8LTW

I looked up your mod list and it included a ported head. Did your friend with the Red have a ported head as well?

It'll drag this thread light-years off topic, but aside from my head being ported (I have a VIII) vs the other car being an IX (better casting from the factory), the mods on each car are similar: cams, porting, SS O2, catless 3" TBE, IC Piping, etc etc. Main difference is my car being on alky and his being on E85, it really was a pretty level playing field.

Originally Posted by CO_VR4

I think that Scheides is a BBK owner who loves his turbo and never misses a chance to diss a RED. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone else who would say that a BBK makes equivalent power to a RED... it just ain't so in the rest of the country...

I don't think this is true; the red is a bigger turbo and should produce higher peak whp, mod-for-mod. Really all I was saying is that if you want red power on a budget, why not look at the BBK? Used turbos aside, it is cheaper and provides a very comparable powerband when using a high-octane fuel. Heck, maybe even look at MAP's SST turbo, it's cheaper still and has gone 126mph in the 1/4 mile.

[gpintoevo9]

have in your budget two tunes.. pump and race/e85 to make some decent power

[Go_Lancer_Go]

im interested in this thread too, but i wanna know WITHOUT E-85 i cant get that where I live.

So without E-85, do i need double pumper? Can I use less then 1000CC injectors? I basically dont mind the whole upgraded injectors EXCEPT I depise lumpy idle. That is also why i dont want cams.

Besides FMIC, fuel pump, injectors and obviously the turbo. What other supporting mods do u guys recommend to keep the car safe but fast. Do i need o2 housing? Do i need ported exhaust manifold? I guess if u have everything apart you might as well right? I really dont wanna do o2 housing b/c i dont wanna have a situation where i leak occurs there... omg that would suck!!!

My goal is 400 HP, it can be to the crank, would like to the wheels.

[DragEvo9]

I have the same exact question but I definately want to make 400whp on pump ....

[boostedwrx]

While I had all my hot bits out for my BBK build I took the opportunity to port and coat everything. I went with a coated titek o2 housing, coated/ported manifold, wrapped turbo hotside. So while you have everything out I'd port it and coat it if I were you. And don't worry about the o2 housing leaking - just get a new oem gasket.

[Zeus]

Hell, on my own personal Evo, I've reused the OEM manifold to turbo, and turbo to O2 gaskets SOOOOOOOO many times it's not funny. At all. OE torque specs, never a single leak... ever. They are good gaskets.

[boostedwrx]

^ +1 !!!!!! The oem metal gaskets are so crazy thick I couldnt believe it. I mean, for seeing such high temps over and over these things are beefy!

For the OP I guess you really wouldnt need to coat everything though if your on a budget. Porting on the other hand will be worth the extra few whp if you want to spend the dough.

[ilikeppie]

what all would i have ported, just the intake? do i need a new o2 housing what about a hotside beings my evo is a 03 and doesnt have the 10.5

[dambikeracer]

Tobz found me the used Red

[grey~ghost]

i should be getting my red this week, 80mm, 25 psv, ported. gonna be throwing in kelford 272 cams, ams intercooler, not to sure on which injectors to get though.

[dambikeracer]

Originally Posted by grey~ghost

i should be getting my red this week, 80mm, 25 psv, ported. gonna be throwing in kelford 272 cams, ams intercooler, not to sure on which injectors to get though.

FIC Bluemax! 32PSI and under... Pump gas-1150's, E-85 1350's on single pump. Over 32 PSI... You are going to need a Double Pumper! And I would move up 100CC's on each injector size. Pump 1250's and E-85 1450's