BBK and FP Green HTA..... - Page 3

EriCS · Aug 15, 2009, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides

Test #1: order both on the same day and see which one you get first

If you can find time to do a dyno comparison as well, that would be fabulous. Good luck!

LOL I know ur a BIG BBK fan scheides!

GrocMax · Aug 15, 2009, 07:36 AM

If someone had the opportunity to thoroughly test their new product against several competing products, don't you think it would be wise to do so before product release? This was done.

As of this point there is no plans to release any internal data to the public forums. The reasons are many, but the primary reason is that to do so creates too much internet BS and results in too much time being taken away from 2-3 people that could be better utilized in true tech and customer support, instead of 2-3 people that do nothing but manage and manipulate internet buzz.

Besides, it would be viewed as biased and skewed, in the long run its better to let independent sources come to the same conclusion.

cij911 · Aug 15, 2009, 08:02 AM

GrocMax - Can you explain why the HTA Green and Red require a different oil feed solution? (Why do the FP turbos require more oil pressure vs. the competition?) Also, given the new HTA Green's flow, are you considering changing/improving the Red ? (Is the new Green too close to the Red ?) TIA

evo003 · Aug 15, 2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GrocMax

If someone had the opportunity to thoroughly test their new product against several competing products, don't you think it would be wise to do so before product release? This was done.

As of this point there is no plans to release any internal data to the public forums. The reasons are many, but the primary reason is that to do so creates too much internet BS and results in too much time being taken away from 2-3 people that could be better utilized in true tech and customer support, instead of 2-3 people that do nothing but manage and manipulate internet buzz.

Besides, it would be viewed as biased and skewed, in the long run its better to let independent sources come to the same conclusion.

So instead of posting the results you'll let countless people buy from your competitors not knowing which turbo is better. So your willing to lose customers because you don't feel like posting it. Makes a lot of sense. Then again you can't even keep up with the amount of orders you have now I can't imagine what the wait would be if people actually thought for sure yours was better. To me if you have #'s post them up and let everyone on here debate whether they are biased or not. The only time it will cost you is the 2 minutes it takes to post it up. You already spent the time and money to test this why not share it with everyone.

cij911 · Aug 15, 2009, 08:28 AM

^^ How do you measure if one turbo is better than another? The HTA Green should flow more air given the wheel specifications, but does that mean it is better? Generally the more flow, the laggier, but maybe FP has some interesting data to show not only more airflow, but quicker spool compared to the competition....

evo003 · Aug 15, 2009, 08:35 AM

^^^ maybe they do have some good data. It looks like we may never know though

I4UnderPressure · Aug 15, 2009, 09:05 AM

If you ask me, it looks like the Red is more geared towards drag, and the BBK Full is more geared towards auto-x. To me, it looks like the HTA Green fits right in between, which is where I wanna be. Can't wait for the results.

scheides · Aug 15, 2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by EriCS

LOL I know ur a BIG BBK fan scheides!

I'm also a big FP fan. They make awesome products that consistently put down serious numbers on setups that really are pushing the limits. I just grew weary of the long delivery times and some of the chest-thumping holier-than-thou stuff that gets posted from time to time, and the silence the rest of the time. I get that they don't want to dedicate people to creating hype (as GrocMax said) but having him post that they already have said data and are not releasing it is just that: hype.

batty200 · Aug 15, 2009, 09:46 AM

CBRD did not release any conclusive data about the BBK vs the RED/Green either and they were playing ctchup for almost two years! Do you think FP was sitting on thier hands during this time. If you ever ask CBRD directly they will never give a direct comparo for the same reasons FP wont, it will cause mountains of BS and if the results arent what people want to see they will cry foul and badmouth FP/CBRD. It is wisest like Groc said to let others figure out what THEY want. No two turbos will perform the same and one mans junk is another mans treasure. How about this one: I like lag. I think a stock turbo spools too fast and too often so my 61mm thats going on the EVO will drive the way I want it to and make WAY more power than either stock frame turbos at the same boost and will make more peak power as well. Will it spool as fast? NO. Will I like it better? YES!

cij911 · Aug 15, 2009, 10:08 AM

^^ Actually I disagree with that statement somewhat. Chad (CBRD) is one of the most honest upfront people in the industry. He was very open about why he developed the BBK and has said many positive things about the FP turbos (as well as given direct feedback on both turbos). The BBK was designed for stock like spool (quick) with a really strong top end (less than the Red). Chad will tell you that each turbo has its place given the application.

DBallz · Aug 15, 2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cij911

GrocMax - Can you explain why the HTA Green and Red require a different oil feed solution? (Why do the FP turbos require more oil pressure vs. the competition?) Also, given the new HTA Green's flow, are you considering changing/improving the Red ? (Is the new Green too close to the Red ?) TIA

It's probably because you can run more boost with the FP turbos. Doesn't FP us a journal bearing? Does the BBK use the same type of bearing? Oh well can't wait to see the data I think for this comparison I think FP will be the winner but either way this is good for both turbos. People want to see the hard data aas do I.

evo003 · Aug 15, 2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by batty200

It is wisest like Groc said to let others figure out what THEY want. YES!

How are people supposed to accurately know what they want if no one posts the data. I am looking to upgrade my turbo and have been looking at either the BBK or HTA green but this whole " I have the data but won't post it" kind of makes me wonder why i would want to do business with a company that won't back up their product with some #'s. If you don't want to put up comparisons then just put up what the HTA green did and leave the BBK out of it. An informed buyer is a smart buyer and I refuse to buy something and hope for the best. i want to know what I'm getting before I put down my money. Call me crazy but i don't think I'm asking for too much. If you want my business I have to know what the product can do. I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way as me.

sparky · Aug 15, 2009, 09:26 PM

Some people are still waitng for some 1/4 mile traps on the BBK. At least I am. So, post them up and share them.

EDIT: I keep hearing that Chad is really a nice guy to deal with, and with all due respect, this may be true. But does product delivery time really have anything to do with the quality of the end product?

Shawnmsr · Aug 15, 2009, 09:38 PM

What fuel are you using in your comparison? It would be nice to see compressor maps for these turbos too if there is someone out here that can do that.

sparky · Aug 15, 2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scheides

I'm also a big FP fan.....

Yeah, sure bet! While you're sharpening your deboning blade.