HTA Green vs. BBK

[DBallz]

Originally Posted by NitrousOxide

I really find it insulting when I keep on answering an A$$**** like you who understands nothing!!!

1- How did you assume that HTA will be better in terms of spool and resposnse

2- How did you assume that HTA Green will have a broader power band all along the curve?

3- How did you assume that HTA green will be more powerful but not more drivable since they already have a capable hp turbo(red)???

4- How did you assume that they will eventually beat the BBK afer benchmarking it??? Didnt you ask you self "what IF the BBK was at the margin, in which adjusting the power will hurt spool or vice versa???

Everyone here is talking LOGICALLY, saying "my car did this" "my car did that" and "lets see what this new turbo can do after we test it", except one sinlge brutally blinded smart*** who's already categorized this turbo and called it better!!!

Again, please shut the hell up and let us build this thread on FACTS, coz that the ONLY thing we need right now.. and for you, I would suggest you buying a big marker pen and write on the bedroom's wall "HTA Green is better" so that you neither bug us again, nor do you feel that the BBK is better!!!

Listen you obviously have some sort of anger issues not sure what or why. Once again dude the shut the hell up is not really needed you can simply disagree. I disagree with most persons data on a conversation i had on the phone with Rob just asking him what the differences were for a friend....actually it was for you EricS. My buddy is trying to deciede what turbo to get for his setup and I had to call and order something I spoke to Rob and asked him about the turbos as he was processing my order. Based from that convo I feel the HTA Green is the better turbo based on the subject of the thread

[sparky]

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[JDMevoBOOST]

You mean to tell me the sales person of a turbo company says their product is better than the competition? LOL. What was he supposed to do? Tell you his product is more expensive and crappier than the competitor? Come on man we want unbiased data, not the sales pitch.

[EVIL_EV0]

This almost ranks as the worst thread ever..... the HTA green only has one dyno sheet and its from some fully built stroker motor and I doubt we'll see another one anytime soon because the vendor is still back logged from the last three turbos they couldn't deliver.... or dare I say rebuild fast enough.

In a way I'm sick and tired of these half arsed dyno plots promoting unrealistic results but then on the other hand I get a kick out of the dozens of people that will buy this turbo on plastic without even having the supporting mods for it. Its like watching a modern day 3 stooges show in the forum!!! LOL carry on.

[atkins]

^^^well said

[sparky]

Originally Posted by EVIL_EV0

This almost ranks as the worth thread ever.....

Believe me, Evil, there have been some pretty lame threads on here. If not recently, then perhaps a bit further back.....So, don't lay on too much hyperbole

[pure_evo]

On E85, are 1200cc injectors sufficient to run the HTA Green without having to purchase a double pumper? This would be a limiting factor of my decision as buying a double pumper is something that I absolutely do not want to do. Thanks.

[Liqquid]

Originally Posted by pure_evo

On E85, are 1200cc injectors sufficient to run the HTA Green without having to purchase a double pumper? This would be a limiting factor of my decision as buying a double pumper is something that I absolutely do not want to do. Thanks.

The 1200's I have were precisions that apparently are really only about 1120, those and the double pumper are at like 98% in 4th but still making 11.5 afr..

From what I've learned the stock ECU may get away with smaller injectors than a standalone, and also I've read where some tuners let the afr's drift up to 12 with E85... so there's a few things that will weigh into your question.. you could also pick a turbo, max out the fuel system and then decide if that's enough, even if you don't get 100% of what the turbo can do, you will still get the big torque hit from the E85 tune

[pure_evo]

Originally Posted by Liqquid

The 1200's I have were precisions that apparently are really only about 1120, those and the double pumper are at like 98% in 4th but still making 11.5 afr..

From what I've learned the stock ECU may get away with smaller injectors than a standalone, and also I've read where some tuners let the afr's drift up to 12 with E85... so there's a few things that will weigh into your question.. you could also pick a turbo, max out the fuel system and then decide if that's enough, even if you don't get 100% of what the turbo can do, you will still get the big torque hit from the E85 tune

OK. I think I understand. Let me tell you what I heard (read). E85 regardless of whether it be in conjunction with the double pumper or not has its benefits, right? I'm looking at the 1250cc injectors from TTP. I've also seen a set of 1000cc injectors for sale but those would be entirely too small, right? What I don't want to do is have to buy another set of injectors once I decide to take things to the next level which would be the purchase of the double pumper. If I can get away with the 1250cc injectors and achieve the whp/wtq that I'm interested in (of course with the right supporting mods), then I would be fine. I have quite the parts list lined up with this deployment pay. Power-wise, what or where would I be limited with the HTA Green before the double pumper is 100% needed? Thanks.

[Green Meanie]

Originally Posted by DBallz

^ Basically that is how the HTA green came to be. I think FP tried to do the HTA green a few months maybe a year ago but when the BBK came on the scene FP purchased one and tried to figure out how to improve on the BBK design and it seems like they did.

Is it a better design if they sacrificed spool for better power numbers. if the area under the curve doesn't beat the BBK Full then its not going to matter if the HTA makes slightly more horsepower....you need it to catch a similarily equipped BBK EVO.

I'm just looking into what turbo I plan on buying for next year. I would like something that doesn't sacrifice spool for power but I could possibly be convinced if the lag and transient response (which is something I haven't seen being discussed in this thread) is minimal.

My car will mainly be a fun weekend (few days a week) car. Some track time some drag time...but primarily serve as a toy I can pull out of the garage when my friends with stock Vipers/Vettes and higher end Lexus's start talking crap. LOL.

[DBallz]

For those concerned about turn around times on the HTA Green turbo

FP Green HTA Delivery time 13 days.

[kemoly]

Can i get the same power from a standard Green housin than a 80mm???

did somebody has dyno sheets on a standard Green!

Thanks