HTA Green vs. BBK

[gfng]

people just chill out , both turbos r good , buy what u prefer

[DJ Brett B]

Wow, I'm getting really tired of reading these ignorant comments about how people think the BBK is not a good turbo since there have not been F-ing drag times posted with it- Look people, the dyno numbers prove what the turbo is capable of and everything else is driver/track conditions/car setup. You put a super experienced drag racer in a well set-up BBK turbo'd Evo that makes 440whp on a mustang do you HONESTLY think it wont match or beat the times the same car would do with an older FP Green (which flows LESS lb/minute of air and is actually laggier)?!!! It amazes me how many stupid people are out there, and saddens me a little bit to know so many of them drive an EVO

[DBallz]

Originally Posted by DJ Brett B

Wow, I'm getting really tired of reading these ignorant comments about how people think the BBK is not a good turbo since there have not been F-ing drag times posted with it- Look people, the dyno numbers prove what the turbo is capable of and everything else is driver/track conditions/car setup. You put a super experienced drag racer in a well set-up BBK turbo'd Evo that makes 440whp on a mustang do you HONESTLY think it wont match or beat the times the same car would do with an older FP Green (which flows LESS lb/minute of air and is actually laggier)?!!! It amazes me how many stupid people are out there, and saddens me a little bit to know so many of them drive an EVO

Well I was simply stating that I think the HTA Green would be winner of turbos according to the subject of the thread. I like the BBK turbo because it has shown to be a proven a great bolt on turbo. But like I was trying to explain why I felt that way I was flammed and told to shut up. The BBK was created to beat the old green the HTA Green was created to beat the BBK. But I think the BBK Full and HTA Green are in the same league. I would like to see both tuned for 20psi on 93oct to see what the differences would be on the same vehicle. Can someone pls do that tune the BBK at 20psi and swap the turbos and run it again.

[DJ Brett B]

Originally Posted by DJ Brett B

Wow, I'm getting really tired of reading these ignorant comments about how people think the BBK is not a good turbo since there have not been F-ing drag times posted with it- Look people, the dyno numbers prove what the turbo is capable of and everything else is driver/track conditions/car setup. You put a super experienced drag racer in a well set-up BBK turbo'd Evo that makes 440whp on a mustang do you HONESTLY think it wont match or beat the times the same car would do with an older FP Green (which flows LESS lb/minute of air and is actually laggier)?!!! It amazes me how many stupid people are out there, and saddens me a little bit to know so many of them drive an EVO

Originally Posted by DBallz

Well I was simply stating that I think the HTA Green would be winner of turbos according to the subject of the thread. I like the BBK turbo because it has shown to be a proven a great bolt on turbo. But like I was trying to explain why I felt that way I was flammed and told to shut up. The BBK was created to beat the old green the HTA Green was created to beat the BBK. But I think the BBK Full and HTA Green are in the same league. I would like to see both tuned for 20psi on 93oct to see what the differences would be on the same vehicle. Can someone pls do that tune the BBK at 20psi and swap the turbos and run it again.

Was not directed at you DBallz ...Just everyone who keeps on B!tching about the BBK based exclusively on the lack of 1/4 mile times posted using that turbo. My point (to them) is that there is no logical reason the BBK would run slower times that the older FP Green if you were given the same car, same driver same track, same conditions etc. since it is a superior turbo/flows slightly more air per minute and spools faster. The new HTA green however flows a couple lbs/min more than the BBK at the price of additional lag and is not as stealth using the different compressor housing. I personally think FP knows that most people are aware the BBK beats out the old green and FP probably updated the green to not lose business, but purposely made it flow a little more air than the BBK to (hopefully) make better whp numbers.

[Liqquid]

Originally Posted by DJ Brett B

do you HONESTLY think it wont match or beat the times the same car would do with an older FP Green (which flows LESS lb/minute of air and is actually laggier)?!!! It amazes me how many stupid people are out there, and saddens me a little bit to know so many of them drive an EVO

The thread is discussing the HTA Green and BBK

[DJ Brett B]

Originally Posted by Liqquid

The thread is discussing the HTA Green and BBK

exactly. thats why people need to shut up about drag times with the old green- read the post I made right before yours (number 154)

[Liqquid]

Originally Posted by DJ Brett B

exactly. thats why people need to shut up about drag times with the old green- read the post I made right before yours (number 154)

Totally understand.. my times are with the HTA, with mediocre driving, bad suspension setup (gangster slammed ) and a tank of "E75", I ran a best of 11.2 @ 129mph.. car weight is about 3350

[DBallz]

Originally Posted by DJ Brett B

Was not directed at you DBallz ...Just everyone who keeps on B!tching about the BBK based exclusively on the lack of 1/4 mile times posted using that turbo. My point (to them) is that there is no logical reason the BBK would run slower times that the older FP Green if you were given the same car, same driver same track, same conditions etc. since it is a superior turbo/flows slightly more air per minute and spools faster. The new HTA green however flows a couple lbs/min more than the BBK at the price of additional lag and is not as stealth using the different compressor housing. I personally think FP knows that most people are aware the BBK beats out the old green and FP probably updated the green to not lose business, but purposely made it flow a little more air than the BBK to (hopefully) make better whp numbers.

^ Basically that is how the HTA green came to be. I think FP tried to do the HTA green a few months maybe a year ago but when the BBK came on the scene FP purchased one and tried to figure out how to improve on the BBK design and it seems like they did.

[atkins]

Originally Posted by DBallz

Well I was simply stating that I think the HTA Green would be winner of turbos according to the subject of the thread. I like the BBK turbo because it has shown to be a proven a great bolt on turbo. But like I was trying to explain why I felt that way I was flammed and told to shut up. The BBK was created to beat the old green the HTA Green was created to beat the BBK. But I think the BBK Full and HTA Green are in the same league. I would like to see both tuned for 20psi on 93oct to see what the differences would be on the same vehicle. Can someone pls do that tune the BBK at 20psi and swap the turbos and run it again.

if fp wants to supply a turbo ill do the back to back testing but it is on them to front the goods. i dont really think anyone would spend the money on both turbos considering they seem to be in the same ball park as far as performance goes. we still need some more graphs from the hta green anyway to really even draw a conclusion because what info we have now is very limited and hasnt been repeated even once from what i can find (tell me if im wrong).

even if they do supply a turbo there is a better chance of seeing more indepentant testing before a back to back could be done, just based off their wait time alone. only time will tell, but i know i couldnt be happier with my bbk purchase or my cbrd experience as a whole, top notch. my car makes plenty of power for a daily driven car and has been just as reliable as it was in stock form.

to answer another question about track or road course use i went from a stock turbo to a bbk full and actually got some seat time like two weeks ago at the englishtown road course. its like 1.35 miles long with a 1300 foot straight and about 16 corners total. the course was a blast to drive with the bbk. the most impressive part to me was the ability to control the boost with throttle input, massive amounts of power on demand but the refinement to take the sharp turns under partial throttle/boost with no creeping or surging at all. if i wanted one bar of boost it would hit that mark and hold it untill i adjusted the throttle. the response time in between shifts was amazing, seemed like i never got off the gas. the car was able to keep up with the big boys on the straight and loved the turns making up ground in the tight areas. we did 5 lap segments and from start to finish, if i went out first i was able to catch the car that left last by the end of the session and put a lap on them.

this turbo rocks for this application. to give you an idea i finished in third, 2 seconds off a viper and 600 whp twinturbo g35. we only did one timed trial in the middle of the day but by the end of the day i was making time on both those cars in lapping sessions.

jeff

[DBallz]

Originally Posted by atkins

if fp wants to supply a turbo ill do the back to back testing but it is on them to front the goods. i dont really think anyone would spend the money on both turbos considering they seem to be in the same ball park as far as performance goes. we still need some more graphs from the hta green anyway to really even draw a conclusion because what info we have now is very limited and hasnt been repeated even once from what i can find (tell me if im wrong).

even if they do supply a turbo there is a better chance of seeing more indepentant testing before a back to back could be done, just based off their wait time alone. only time will tell, but i know i couldnt be happier with my bbk purchase or my cbrd experience as a whole, top notch. my car makes plenty of power for a daily driven car and has been just as reliable as it was in stock form.

to answer another question about track or road course use i went from a stock turbo to a bbk full and actually got some seat time like two weeks ago at the englishtown road course. its like 1.35 miles long with a 1300 foot straight and about 16 corners total. the course was a blast to drive with the bbk. the most impressive part to me was the ability to control the boost with throttle input, massive amounts of power on demand but the refinement to take the sharp turns under partial throttle/boost with no creeping or surging at all. if i wanted one bar of boost it would hit that mark and hold it untill i adjusted the throttle. the response time in between shifts was amazing, seemed like i never got off the gas. the car was able to keep up with the big boys on the straight and loved the turns making up ground in the tight areas. we did 5 lap segments and from start to finish, if i went out first i was able to catch the car that left last by the end of the session and put a lap on them.

this turbo rocks for this application. to give you an idea i finished in third, 2 seconds off a viper and 600 whp twinturbo g35. we only did one timed trial in the middle of the day but by the end of the day i was making time on both those cars in lapping sessions.

jeff

Great job Jeff That sounds great. Now I wish you could somehow get FP to send you a HTA Green and run it the same way and give your opinion on it

[atkins]

Originally Posted by DBallz

Great job Jeff That sounds great. Now I wish you could somehow get FP to send you a HTA Green and run it the same way and give your opinion on it

like i said above if fp wants to supply the turbo i would do that. i have another track day at the same course coming in september.

jeff

[SeanV]

Slightly off topic here... but anyway....
Here is a comparison between my Evo8 with a stock Evo9 turbo (boosting 2 bar) and my friends Evo8 with a BBK Lite (boosting 1,7 bar).

Other than the turbos, our mods are pretty much the same, although he does have more aggresive cams than me. Mine are BC 272's while he has Kellford 272's with SuperTech springs/retainers.
The tunes on the cars are pretty much the same with regards to timing and fueling.
I make use of ECU controlled boost (Tephra V7 mods with a 3port solenoid) while he uses a EVC6 boost controller.

Both cars run on a pump/ethanol mix at a 50/50 ratio - E50...... the dyno runs were done in Johannesburg - South Africa at 5751 ft above sea level.

When he eventually gets around to getting his car retuned to boost 2 bar, he will blow me away.
I will definately be getting myself a BBK in the near future.

[NitrousOxide]

Originally Posted by DBallz

Well I was simply stating that I think the HTA Green would be winner of turbos according to the subject of the thread. I like the BBK turbo because it has shown to be a proven a great bolt on turbo. But like I was trying to explain why I felt that way I was flammed and told to shut up. The BBK was created to beat the old green the HTA Green was created to beat the BBK. But I think the BBK Full and HTA Green are in the same league. I would like to see both tuned for 20psi on 93oct to see what the differences would be on the same vehicle. Can someone pls do that tune the BBK at 20psi and swap the turbos and run it again.

I really find it insulting when I keep on answering an A$$**** like you who understands nothing!!!

1- How did you assume that HTA will be better in terms of spool and resposnse

2- How did you assume that HTA Green will have a broader power band all along the curve?

3- How did you assume that HTA green will be more powerful but not more drivable since they already have a capable hp turbo(red)???

4- How did you assume that they will eventually beat the BBK afer benchmarking it??? Didnt you ask you self "what IF the BBK was at the margin, in which adjusting the power will hurt spool or vice versa???

Everyone here is talking LOGICALLY, saying "my car did this" "my car did that" and "lets see what this new turbo can do after we test it", except one sinlge brutally blinded smart*** who's already categorized this turbo and called it better!!!

Again, please shut the hell up and let us build this thread on FACTS, coz that the ONLY thing we need right now.. and for you, I would suggest you buying a big marker pen and write on the bedroom's wall "HTA Green is better" so that you neither bug us again, nor do you feel that the BBK is better!!!

[EriCS]

Originally Posted by Gordian79

Whats up with all this lag talk.All these stock appearing turbos spool within a few

100 rpm of each other.They all use stock turbine housings you can only mod it so

much.Saying that one is for drag and other for road is total bs they will all work.I

dont feel any more or any less lag and ive driven red,green and 9 turbo cars all

spool about the same.Red and green hit harder up top that is the difference.Lag is a

47r supra with a 1.35 a/r turbine housing and it takes a while to build boost on

transbrake and if you dont ill turtle off the line and run 12s @ 160 mph.Does anyone

have backpressure numbers on any of these stock appearing turbos?

True dat!

[EriCS]

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