Hks/kelford 272 cams

thientran · Jun 4, 2009, 09:19 PM

Just curious and wanting to know what is the difference between the HKS camshaft and Kelford camshaft? I heard that the Kelford make more power is that true?

THANKS IN ADVANCE

SOEuro · Jun 4, 2009, 09:23 PM

it depends on alot of variables

check outt he AMS cam test on here,that will explain alot

Gary@MellonRacing · Jun 5, 2009, 04:15 AM

its more of what ur going to be doing , what turbo r u on ???
what r u going to do with the car ??

kelford r more agressive cams , buy it once and u wouldnt really need to upgrade down the road

, hks r mild cams buy now and probably later u will feel u will need to upgrade if ur going thru a bigger mod

fugiwara · Jun 5, 2009, 04:25 AM

I was thinking to upgrade from my HKS 272 to kelford, but my tuner tell me to stay with my HKS 272, he said he likes HKS 272 is b/c the all around performance.

HKS cams are design with reliability in mind, to work with stock valve, valve springs. The car drives just like stock and produce with fast turbo response.

linuxman51 · Jun 5, 2009, 05:35 AM

I'm not a particularly big fan of the 264/272 combo I have in my car right now, and based on the specs I can't see 272/272's being much better-they're almost identical. I will be getting rid of my hks cams before long and going with either kelford 272's or GSC S2's (depending on whether or not I feel like replacing the springs, etc).

DBallz · Jun 5, 2009, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by thientran

Just curious and wanting to know what is the difference between the HKS camshaft and Kelford camshaft? I heard that the Kelford make more power is that true?

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Before this is locked and Search is posted. It all depends on what kind of turbo your using or plan to upgrade to. HKS 272's or GSC S1's are perfect for stock turbo. I would say with a FP Red or higher Kelfords are perfect

**scheides** · Jun 5, 2009, 06:53 AM

HKS = improved boost threshold
Kelford = improved top end (not max whp, but powerband after peak power)

Both will offer significant gains on a VIII.

On an IX, go FP 4R or cosworth M2, or better yet a BBK Full

Stock IX cams are pretty damn good.

Ludikraut · Jun 5, 2009, 07:28 AM

The Kelford 272 is different from the HKS 272 in almost all aspects - read Martin Musial's Evo cam test in Modified magazine for the full details. The bottom line is that the Kelfords will not work with the stock valvetrain. You will need to upgrade the valvetrain to make use of these cams, since they are higher lift cams than the HKS cams. The Kelfords will make more power than the HKS 272s; how much depends on a lot of different factors, such as turbo size, fuel, tune, etc.

l8r)

G20 · Jun 5, 2009, 04:00 PM

every one keep saying to read the AMS cams test but didn't mention that it was done on a different turbo and motor than stock. For stock turbo, 272 hks has been proving for decent gain, not too laggy, very reliable, minimal change of the engine throwing a code, easy idle and tuning... and now good price especially with all the used ones out there. My 2c.

Ludikraut · Jun 5, 2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by thientran

just want a daily driven evo that can haul @$$

In that case make sure that the combination of parts you get for your car will work. The HKS272 is a good cam on a stockish setup, I used to run them. If you end up with something like an FP red, and you want to maximize it's potential, you'll probably want a bigger cam, like the Kelford 272 or beyond.

Please read the AMS cam test (find the magazine if you can, the articles are extremely informative), and read any cam comments posted on this board by Ted_B. Just because both the HKS and Kelford cams have a duration of 272 DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE SAME or even comparable. The HKS cams are designed to work with the stock head. Higher lift cams, like the Kelford, will need an upgraded valvetrain ... they would destroy the stock head in no time.

l8r)

bbyevo8u · Jun 5, 2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ludikraut

The Kelford 272 is different from the HKS 272 in almost all aspects - read Martin Musial's Evo cam test in Modified magazine for the full details. The bottom line is that the Kelfords will not work with the stock valvetrain. You will need to upgrade the valvetrain to make use of these cams, since they are higher lift cams than the HKS cams. The Kelfords will make more power than the HKS 272s; how much depends on a lot of different factors, such as turbo size, fuel, tune, etc.

l8r)

when you say it wont work with stock valvetrain, what do you have to do to the valvetrain? just get spring or something else??

Ludikraut · Jun 5, 2009, 05:00 PM

Springs and retainers. At minimum something like this: http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/S...mance.com.html

l8r)

DBallz · Jun 5, 2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thientran

I'm looking at the FP RED Turbo

Perfect get the Kelfords do it right the first time. Check the sig

kanyonkid · Jun 5, 2009, 09:56 PM

im runnin kelford on stock valvetrain.... i pull to 7800rpms in 4th when runnin the 1/4... i feel that is dangerouse but my buddy on comp280's revs to 8k on stock valvetrain all day for 2 years now... i have the springs/retainers just waiting to put in... def go kelford

bbyevo8u · Jun 5, 2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kanyonkid

im runnin kelford on stock valvetrain.... i pull to 7800rpms in 4th when runnin the 1/4... i feel that is dangerouse but my buddy on comp280's revs to 8k on stock valvetrain all day for 2 years now... i have the springs/retainers just waiting to put in... def go kelford

are you running the stock turbo?