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May 26, 2009, 05:02 PM
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This is what happens when you think all turbo kits are the same....
A kit - is a "kit". It works as a system. Every manifold, turbo, O2 housing, and downpipe are a little different. A change in one part typically has fall-out in the other parts of the system.
AMS uses 5 bolt turbine housings with the wastegate routed in the O2. The 5 bolt turbine housing has the wastegate port in the housing. The 4 bolt doesn't - it has to be used with a manifold mounted wastegate.
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- Put the .63 A/R 5 bolt from your 50 trim on the HTA 86, if it fits the turbine wheel.
- Buy a new manifold, O2, and downpipe.
- Modifify the AMS maniold to add the wastegate, and build a new O2 housing. It's not entry level fabricating and it sounds like your shop isn't too interested.
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May 26, 2009, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jid2
This is what happens when you think all turbo kits are the same....
A kit - is a "kit". It works as a system. Every manifold, turbo, O2 housing, and downpipe are a little different. A change in one part typically has fall-out in the other parts of the system.
AMS uses 5 bolt turbine housings with the wastegate routed in the O2. The 5 bolt turbine housing has the wastegate port in the housing. The 4 bolt doesn't - it has to be used with a manifold mounted wastegate.
You have three options.
- Put the .63 A/R 5 bolt from your 50 trim on the HTA 86, if it fits the turbine wheel.
- Buy a new manifold, O2, and downpipe.
- Modifify the AMS maniold to add the wastegate, and build a new O2 housing. It's not entry level fabricating and it sounds like your shop isn't too interested.
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If its a .63 A/R on the 50 trim wouldn't it have to fit the hta 86? I could of sworn someone on here is running a .63 a/r on the hta 86.
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May 26, 2009, 05:32 PM
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If its a .63 A/R on the 50 trim wouldn't it have to fit the hta 86? I could of sworn someone on here is running a .63 a/r on the hta 86.
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The AMS 50-trim runs a Precision .63 A/R w/ 5-bolt housing. This housing will work on your HTA3586.
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May 26, 2009, 05:34 PM
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The AMS 50-trim runs a Precision .63 A/R w/ 5-bolt housing. This housing will work on your HTA3586.
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May 26, 2009, 06:34 PM
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It will ONLY work after the housing from the 50trim(t31 turbine usually) is machined to fit the larger gt35 turbine. Probably better to just buy a turbine housing already machined for that wheel from PTE. Would be quicker and similiarly priced most likely..
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May 26, 2009, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by whitey4d
It will ONLY work after the housing from the 50trim(t31 turbine usually) is machined to fit the larger gt35 turbine. Probably better to just buy a turbine housing already machined for that wheel from PTE. Would be quicker and similiarly priced most likely..
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The thing is i don't thing they make a 5 bolt 82r housing. So if the ams 50 trim has the precision 62 ar 5bolt housing, isn't that pretty much what i would get anyway? I have been without my car for 7 months if the ams 50 trim housing works im going to use it. I rather not wait another week or longer for something that is the same thing. Are you 1000% sure it will not work unless machined?
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May 26, 2009, 06:59 PM
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What Im trying to say is that it wont. AMS uses a PTE .63 housing with every turbo they sell in there kits. BUT the Housing has to be machined to allow the larger diameter wheel it go inside the volute.
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May 26, 2009, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by whitey4d
What Im trying to say is that it wont. AMS uses a PTE .63 housing with every turbo they sell in there kits. BUT the Housing has to be machined to allow the larger diameter wheel it go inside the volute.
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Ah that sucks then  . I was thinking that the exhaust wheel was the same as the normal 35r's. And just the compressor wheel was bigger on the hta 86. Oh well i guess ill have to see what i can do then. thanks though .
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May 26, 2009, 09:58 PM
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Call up PTE and get a 5bolt ford style .63 for a 35r or 6262. The solution is very simple to this problem.
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May 26, 2009, 10:19 PM
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Simple. Call FP, tell them what your problem is, and ask them to suggest the best solution. Just because they don't list a certain hot side does not mean that they can't find you one, or maybe machine yours to fit...
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May 27, 2009, 03:11 AM
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FP stated on their site using anything under a .82 hotside on a HTA86 will be a total waste and quite stupid. Would of been smarter to get the 3582 with the .63 5 bolt hotside for ams turbo kit or send out your current 35R
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