Ebay FMIC testing (data log lab dyno) vs Stock FMIC
Mar 20, 2007, 09:32 PM
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Ebay FMIC testing (data log lab dyno) vs Stock FMIC
I had to take out a degree of timing, the runs are 2 days apart, similar temps and humidity +/- 10 degrees
The first run that I did on it I saw 5 counts of knock, hence why I dropped some timing but the numbers were 515hp/433tq. It did pull 1 degree out at about 6 grand. If anyone wants to see that dyno plot I can post it.
For my setup, the 200 bucks would be worth it, on top of the fact that the ebay doesnt seem to heat soak easily, I was running back to back with only about 5hp variance.
Mods are:
Blouch Dominator 3.5 turbo (60lb/min compressor)
272/272
3inch TBE
TurboTrix manifold and intercooler pipes
MBC
all other supporting mods (fuel, tuning, etc)
Hope this helps, looks like it was around a 20-25hp increase for me.
Mar 20, 2007, 09:45 PM
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I hate to support it to be honest. I dont think it's fair to AMS that some 12 year old in china welded this intercooler for 3 dollars and a biscuit, but the curiousity factor was too much for me. I HAD TO KNOW. It seems more and more people here only repeat what they read without looking into the facts themselves.
A company like AMS I am SURE has done this same testing with the same results, but why on earth would they post them??? I sure wouldn't, so it makes sense since a lot of the evo community tuners are tight, that NO ONE did testing on this.
There it is though, I'm curious now as to how much people pick up from the actual AMS unit, I'm assuming near the same, but my power level is a lot higher then a lot of people running that unit, so it might be better to measure the performance in a percentage of HP gained.
Another factor is that I'm running a exponentially more efficient turbo then the stocker (at this boost level anyway), so you might not see these types of results on the stock turbo, you might see more, you might see less, it would depend on the actual cooling properties of the intercooler itself.
Either way, it's a good 200 dollars spent if you dont mind going to hell for your sins.
Edit: oh and for what it's worth fitment on this sucker was god aweful, I was hand bending (and I mean with my hands, I'm ghetto like that) the brackets to fit, and still only got 2 of the 3 to fit, the other bracket wasn't even close.
A company like AMS I am SURE has done this same testing with the same results, but why on earth would they post them??? I sure wouldn't, so it makes sense since a lot of the evo community tuners are tight, that NO ONE did testing on this.
There it is though, I'm curious now as to how much people pick up from the actual AMS unit, I'm assuming near the same, but my power level is a lot higher then a lot of people running that unit, so it might be better to measure the performance in a percentage of HP gained.
Another factor is that I'm running a exponentially more efficient turbo then the stocker (at this boost level anyway), so you might not see these types of results on the stock turbo, you might see more, you might see less, it would depend on the actual cooling properties of the intercooler itself.
Either way, it's a good 200 dollars spent if you dont mind going to hell for your sins.
Edit: oh and for what it's worth fitment on this sucker was god aweful, I was hand bending (and I mean with my hands, I'm ghetto like that) the brackets to fit, and still only got 2 of the 3 to fit, the other bracket wasn't even close.
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Mar 20, 2007, 11:45 PM
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ebay intercooler for the win
i also think that the gains will be higher in real worl situations, such as racing, auto crossing, tracking, or even driving on the street comparted to a stationary car on the dyno.
so is this the ams knock off or a generic ebay intercooler.
i said it before and i'll say it again. there are countless 600+whp hondas that run cheep $150 ebay intercoolers. there is simply no reason to spend $700 on a intercooler and no one should be charging that kind of money for a simple intercooler to begine with.
i too am running the ams knock off but after i but my 30r in i'm going to try the generic 31x12x4 intercooler just for the hell of it.
i also think that the gains will be higher in real worl situations, such as racing, auto crossing, tracking, or even driving on the street comparted to a stationary car on the dyno.
so is this the ams knock off or a generic ebay intercooler.
i said it before and i'll say it again. there are countless 600+whp hondas that run cheep $150 ebay intercoolers. there is simply no reason to spend $700 on a intercooler and no one should be charging that kind of money for a simple intercooler to begine with.
i too am running the ams knock off but after i but my 30r in i'm going to try the generic 31x12x4 intercooler just for the hell of it.
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Mar 21, 2007, 05:30 AM
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i want to say that those are good gains, firstly.
secondly i want to say that i would never run one only because i support the American made products, Buschur and AMS. u are garenteed a great product when buying from them, and customer service as well. but not when getting one of these off ebay. Buschur and AMS do a lot of research and development to bring us quality products, so i will remain loyal and keep buying from the true competors.
just my opinion.
secondly i want to say that i would never run one only because i support the American made products, Buschur and AMS. u are garenteed a great product when buying from them, and customer service as well. but not when getting one of these off ebay. Buschur and AMS do a lot of research and development to bring us quality products, so i will remain loyal and keep buying from the true competors.
just my opinion.
Mar 21, 2007, 05:39 AM
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And all of this is primarily due to the labor rates overseas vs. here.
This only proves that it's a dog eat dog world, and competition from overseas vendors
is a genuwine concern. All this goes to show is that AMS or any other vendor needs to
find new ways to source parts and or the materials needed to
make those parts.
Sourcing almost anything in the US is very hard to do anymore because of the
labor rates overseas.
A perfect example is the Megan Exhaust I purchased from a vendor online here.
(This is NOT intended to BASH ANYONE, I am simply using it as an example in
my decision making process) Why would I purchase a Buschur Exhaust that is
3" in diameter, unpolished, needs to use spacers to clear the tie bars, and cost
much more than my Megan which has been robotic welded (obvious by looking
at it) so there is less of a chance for defect (ie. not human welded) is fully
polished, clears the tie bars and doesn't hit anything, is 3" in diameter (all
inclusive) and costs only $550. About the only way to compete with that kind
of pricing is to completely automate the exhaust building process so that you
don't have to pay for a robot's vacation days, sick days, benefits, healthcare etc.
This only proves that it's a dog eat dog world, and competition from overseas vendors
is a genuwine concern. All this goes to show is that AMS or any other vendor needs to
find new ways to source parts and or the materials needed to
make those parts.
Sourcing almost anything in the US is very hard to do anymore because of the
labor rates overseas.
A perfect example is the Megan Exhaust I purchased from a vendor online here.
(This is NOT intended to BASH ANYONE, I am simply using it as an example in
my decision making process) Why would I purchase a Buschur Exhaust that is
3" in diameter, unpolished, needs to use spacers to clear the tie bars, and cost
much more than my Megan which has been robotic welded (obvious by looking
at it) so there is less of a chance for defect (ie. not human welded) is fully
polished, clears the tie bars and doesn't hit anything, is 3" in diameter (all
inclusive) and costs only $550. About the only way to compete with that kind
of pricing is to completely automate the exhaust building process so that you
don't have to pay for a robot's vacation days, sick days, benefits, healthcare etc.
Last edited by tkklemann; Mar 21, 2007 at 05:40 AM. Reason: Sphelling Kuncernz.
Mar 21, 2007, 05:48 AM
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well if your car made in japan ,and the tuner guys doing it more the 10 years. I think you can bet on it, they are better.Just check it out the japan quality vs american. For example, go around an american car ,check the gaps between body panels and parts,do the same with a japan car...
And these parts are not that precision parts like engine parts. Can you imagine whats going on there?
And nothing to take away from Buschur or AMS. They unbelivably good . But Other ones like Borla etc...
And these parts are not that precision parts like engine parts. Can you imagine whats going on there?
And nothing to take away from Buschur or AMS. They unbelivably good . But Other ones like Borla etc...
Mar 21, 2007, 05:58 AM
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i dunno, spending 150 Vs. 700 is alot easier to explain to my wife! Dont get me wrong, im all for Made in the USA but when i bought my turbokit, we didnt have sex for weeks!