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Old Oct 16, 2007, 11:36 AM   #1
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Frying Widebands

Hey, I have been having problems with the Aem widebands getting fried out in my car. within a couple weeks. I've heard a couple of ideas why I was just wondering if you guys could shed some light on the subject... my setup is prety much stock 2.0 motor, 35R, 3 in exhaust no cat. my wideband is in the original rear O2 bung. so I don't think its anything to do with being too close to the turbo. givin my car is tunned slightly rich, and does fatten up alot in fifth gear really no big deal. the only other idea i have is that it may be the 2 step setup on my aem.
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Old Oct 16, 2007, 01:58 PM   #2
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The closer you the put the wideband to the turbo the faster you going to fry it.
Thats why they want you to put around 36 inches from the turbo so it can last you longer. I put my about 24 inches from the turbo and it lest longer.
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Old Oct 16, 2007, 02:04 PM   #3
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There is no reason you should go through sensors that fast unless you are running super rich or are running leaded fuel often. If it's in the second bung it is not too close ...
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Old Oct 16, 2007, 02:11 PM   #4
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i don't think im running that rich though. idle is like 13.3 cruise is around 15 wide open goes to mid to low 11s and fifth will fatten up to mid 10s i think i'd rather run too rich then too lean.... the only other thing i can think of that could cause it to pop would be the 2 step i have it on.
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Good point Touring Bubble. If you run super rich you will destroy the sensor.
Another thing to consider is when engaging your two step if you are sequentially dropping ignition pulses but not fuel delivery you are pumping raw fuel across the sensor. There is one other thing you may consider. The temperature of the sensor is regulated by the controller. There is a small Mosfet (transistor) that applies power to the heating element. This circuit switches on and of to maintain a constant temperature in the sensor. This can be observed with a D.V.M. If it fails, power could be applied to the heating element all the time. This will also destroy the sensor.
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blkdinan,, how would i go about checking the mosfet transistor, only reason i ask is that (long story short) i get a constant RFI fron the wideband into one of my speakers in my car. i thought it was the sensor heater. it is only there when the car is turned on the the wideband finishes cycling befor startup. and it goes away whenever a sensor dies. my gauge reads 14.8 constant and the RFI is gone. i figrued the heater is the only power to the sensor strong enought to generate the RFI.
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Old Oct 18, 2007, 02:52 PM   #7
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Assuming you are using the bosch type sensor, this is the pin out.


Connector
pin Color Function
1
Black Vs
2
Green Rcal
3
Grey H+
4
White H-
5
Yellow Vs/Ip
6
Red Ip

I pulled this off the bosch site. The gray and white wires are for the heater.
On most systems the gray wire is hot all the time. ( between 10.5- 14.0 volts.
The white wire on heater is switched to ground through the mosfet.
So if the sensor is not up to temp, the white wire will show a low voltage.
Once the sensor heats up the white wire voltage will rise.
The mosfet can cycle very fast, so if you don't have an oscilloscope it may be difficult to tell once the sensor has heated up.


The easiest way to tell is to observe the voltage on the white wire with a DVM when the sensor is cold at initial power up. Once the sensor heats up the voltage should rise. This usually takes about 60-110 seconds.

To measure this you will need to put the DVM on the appropriate setting and hook the ground lead to chaise ground and the positive lead to the white wire.

If the voltage never rises on the white wire the controller is most likely damaged.

This should give the results you need to determine weather your controller is working properly. But if the information is unclear let me know..

There is another method used to control the temp. of the sensor.
this method holds the white wire to ground all the time and regulates the voltage to the gray wire. In that case you will hook your meter to the gray wire and watch for a voltage shift during warm up.

If you need more info on the wiring of the sensor you can visit this web site.

www.megamanual.com/PWC/wire.htm
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