EcuTek boost control?

[ErroR]

I was under the impression that EcuTek was able to control the boost via the factory ECU. If this is the case, why do tuners continue to run a boost controller?

[DynoFlash]

The ecutek has amazing boost control - it really works well.

A MBC is nice as it can give the customer greater flexability and control.

[ROK EVO]

Hello Al,

I an a newbie and plan to purchase Evo 9 pretty soon. This may be little premature, but I have questions about your product (ECU flash). Could you elaborate little bit on the features of your ECUTEK flash in terms of what it can do besides boost control? Also, will I have to pay each time I get flashed? (For instances, I get a flash now, then later I add some more mods to the car and need another flash.) Thank you very much and hope to see u soon with my new Evo.

[Precision Dyno]

Originally Posted by ErroR

I was under the impression that EcuTek was able to control the boost via the factory ECU. If this is the case, why do tuners continue to run a boost controller?

Your impression is correct. The stock solenoid is used for the same operation.
Some switch to a MBC or Electonic Boost control as Al has stated for control. Keep in mind that the stock "single" solenoid system we have here in the states will give us a specific amount of volume to work with. (how much physical flow will be bypassed from the wastegate) That volume is plenty for the street IMHO. It is the customers choice.

[DynoFlash]

Originally Posted by ROK EVO

Hello Al,

I an a newbie and plan to purchase Evo 9 pretty soon. This may be little premature, but I have questions about your product (ECU flash). Could you elaborate little bit on the features of your ECUTEK flash in terms of what it can do besides boost control? Also, will I have to pay each time I get flashed? (For instances, I get a flash now, then later I add some more mods to the car and need another flash.) Thank you very much and hope to see u soon with my new Evo.

The Ecutek offers complete adjustment of all ignition and timing maps - MIVAC cam timing adjustment - bost control, rev limiter, fuel, cut, injector scaling and other misc features

The first flash is $650 which includes the one time license fee - after that the normal flash rates apply

I look forward to seeing you also

[Gruppe-S]

Originally Posted by ErroR

I was under the impression that EcuTek was able to control the boost via the factory ECU. If this is the case, why do tuners continue to run a boost controller?

Per Al, Ecutek is a great tool to adjust boost, timing, and AFR. However, a restrictor pill will still be needed since stock duty cycle is close if not 100% already.

Thanks,
Tom

[Precision Dyno]

BTW is Mivec.....

[ErroR]

Thanks for the help guys. Looks like it is time to buy another boost controller.

[kirk@WORKS]

The WORKS P2 requires no boost controller yet maintains 21.0 psi 'til redline, unlike the boost taper associated with the stock tune.
For more info check out our site or WORKS new sub-forum in the engine management area.

As the first tuner to flash the factory ECU in April 2004, our engineers have been able to control boost with our P2 Brainflash system. With over 25 years of certified SAE experience, you can go w/ others claiming to be engineers or you can choose professionals.

WORKS- the choice of Cyber Evo,(Japan), and the preferred brand of Mitsubishi's R&D in Cypress CA.

[Precision Dyno]

Originally Posted by kirk@WORKS

The WORKS P2 requires no boost controller yet maintains 21.0 psi 'til redline, unlike the boost taper associated with the stock tune.
For more info check out our site or WORKS new sub-forum in the engine management area.

As the first tuner to flash the factory ECU in April 2004, our engineers have been able to control boost with our P2 Brainflash system. With over 25 years of certified SAE experience, you can go w/ others claiming to be engineers or you can choose professionals.

WORKS- the choice of Cyber Evo,(Japan), and the preferred brand of Mitsubishi's R&D in Cypress CA.

Not to sound to rude but Kirk, please keep your posts in the works forum. This is an EcuTek based thread last time I checked. I also didn't expect someone of your caliber to make posts like this assuming the credability of individuals you may or may not have met. So lets not get into a pissing match about whether someone with an engineering degree should tune an EFI system.
Also, let me add that the EcuTek boost controll function will hold 22-21 without a problem. My post was concerning the ability to hold much higher boost levels that 91 octane wouldn't even see.

[tlcoll1]

Originally Posted by DynoFlash

The Ecutek offers complete adjustment of all ignition and timing maps - MIVAC cam timing adjustment - bost control, rev limiter, fuel, cut, injector scaling and other misc features

The first flash is $650 which includes the one time license fee - after that the normal flash rates apply

Al - Can you explain this "license fee" stuff? A guy gets his first flash using the EcuTek - is the tuner or the customer the one who has a "license?" And what does that do - if it's the customer, he can then carry his license to another EcuTek tuner and have his car re-tuned there for the lower price?

Also, I've seen some posts that say that $650 is the minimum that a EcuTek tune can be done for. Certainly the tuner can do it for whatever price he wants, right? I mean, you've paid many thousands of dollars for a tool - the EcuTek company isn't telling you how you can use it, right?

I bring this up because I, and I think a bunch of others, are confused as to how a "Dynoflash tune" and a "EcuTek tune by Al" differs. In the end, a guy just wants his car to be properly tuned, and he doesn't really care how you get the job done.

Thanks,
Tom

[BadazzCR]

Originally Posted by tlcoll1

Al - Can you explain this "license fee" stuff? A guy gets his first flash using the EcuTek - is the tuner or the customer the one who has a "license?" And what does that do - if it's the customer, he can then carry his license to another EcuTek tuner and have his car re-tuned there for the lower price?

Also, I've seen some posts that say that $650 is the minimum that a EcuTek tune can be done for. Certainly the tuner can do it for whatever price he wants, right? I mean, you've paid many thousands of dollars for a tool - the EcuTek company isn't telling you how you can use it, right?

I bring this up because I, and I think a bunch of others, are confused as to how a "Dynoflash tune" and a "EcuTek tune by Al" differs. In the end, a guy just wants his car to be properly tuned, and he doesn't really care how you get the job done.

Thanks,
Tom

Ecutek keeps the minimum price at $650 so we don't have shops out there whore the price down. If a shop were to charge less or advertise below the MAP pricing they could loose their right to sell Ecutek.

The way the license fee works is, its a one time fee that Ecutek charges to "unlock" the ecu. Once this license is applied to the ecu, all retunes would be up to your tuners hourly rate. IE; I charge $650 for a custom Ecutek tune, then afterwards if you added additonal mods, I charge $140/hr. Most retunes take 1hour.

[tlcoll1]

Doug - thanks for the reply. I still don't quite "get" why EcuTek cares what you charge to do the initial reflash, though. The EcuTek is a tool - you pay umpteen thousands of dollars for it, and then you can do all of the flashes you want, right? I assume the EcuTek company doesn't get a cut of each reflash, so why do they care what you do with the tool you bought from them?

Tom

[eto]

EcuTek does get a substantial cut of each reflash. The EcuTek partners have to buy a license for each reflash. So, having a min price of $650 is not bad for the dealers. Since they had to pay a bunch for the hardware/software to do the reflashing and then pay a royalty to EcuTek for each reflash. The dealer has to make some money somewhere to pay back the inital hardware cost, pay for the license and then still make some profit.

[chrisw]

Originally Posted by tlcoll1

Doug - thanks for the reply. I still don't quite "get" why EcuTek cares what you charge to do the initial reflash, though. The EcuTek is a tool - you pay umpteen thousands of dollars for it, and then you can do all of the flashes you want, right? I assume the EcuTek company doesn't get a cut of each reflash, so why do they care what you do with the tool you bought from them?

Tom

The company that produces the ECUTEK software pay a licensing fee to Mitsubishi and Subaru. Why? They buy the license to the ECU code so they can properly (and legally) reverse engineer the code on the ECU.

That is how they get much better controll over ECU function than with the teccom reflashes.