left foot braking and few other things.

plokivos · May 9, 2005, 07:01 PM

it is very difficult for me to left foot brake on our evo's. since the brake paddle is so much closer to the throttle padle for toe and heel purposes and also, the damn clutch padle is in the way.

that and when ever I need to left foot brake, since I have to scoot my left leg over to where the brake padle is I have to move my knee, which is resting on my driverside door panel.

Now, i've seen STI owners left foot brake with easy, since their padle arrangements.

Anyone came up with any good idea to do this?

Also, have any of you lowered your dead padle yet? If you know, you know about this.

thanks.

kevin_stevens · May 9, 2005, 11:30 PM

I don't have any problem with any of the pedal positions on my '05. Left foot braking is not easy if you haven't been doing it a lot, I don't care what you drive.

If you're moving your leg over to LFB, you're doomed to failure. You position your foot just over (but not riding) the brake as the standard position, and move it to the LEFT when you need to shift. Don't forget to move it over before you stab the clutch.

KeS

plokivos · May 10, 2005, 09:06 PM

yeh, don't get me wrong, i could 50 % of the time get it done, it's just that its pia vs my prelude.

jid2 · Jun 17, 2005, 08:12 AM

I have my steering wheel moved up fairly high to create some clearance for my left leg and knee to get into position for LFB'ing. You just need to get used to it. Use your left foot for all your around town braking needs. Then it's easy on the track. I learned to LFB driving Group 2 rally cars, now my driving style is really based on it. LFB'ing is the goods!

The control that it gives you mid-corner is awesome. You steer the car with your left foot.

JohnnyPaycheck · Jun 21, 2005, 05:24 PM

All I pretty much do now is lfb. For me instead of resting my foot on the dead pedal, I rest it on the floorboard. Probably not the correct way, but it works for me.

plokivos · Jun 22, 2005, 03:04 AM

i've decided to get some 4 point harness to keep me in place.

I think the biggest problem is I"m so used to leaning my left knee on the left door due to me going all over the place that I think the 4 point harness would help me keep my body in check.

Recaro's are great, but it's like the stock brake pads. It's compromised...

I actually like the Viper Seats in SRT-4 or Viper than recaros... it's just that on the Viper seats, you can't really move that well. lol

Devbo · Jul 20, 2005, 03:05 AM

ok i am asuming that left foot breaking is just another way in matching the RPMS like the heel-toe method could some elaberate for me i am cunfused. i always tried the heel-toe but the pedals are too far away or i am just not cordianted enough for it. lol

**otter** · Jul 20, 2005, 08:48 PM

I'd like more info on LFB, such as the benefits and when it's appropriate...

kevin_stevens · Jul 21, 2005, 11:29 AM

The benefits are that you shorten the transition time from gas to brake, you improve the overall smoothness of the transition (if you can execute), and you gain the ability to make minute adjustments in the balance of the car, particularly during corner exit, without lifting off the gas and blowing your turbo spinup.

The downside is that it's a difficult skill to master, and even experienced LFB'ers have a tendency to ride the brakes on occasion when it's not needed.

It's appropriate to use whenever the benefits outweigh the disadvantage (shrug). I *always* LFB when driving an automatic on the street, simply to gain benefit #1. I LFB in autocross at all times when I don't anticipate needing to downshift. I don't typically LFB on a track course unless I'm in traffic, mainly because you need to downshift much more commonly on a track turn than on an autox course.

KeS

TriCycle STI C · Jul 22, 2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin_stevens

I don't have any problem with any of the pedal positions on my '05. Left foot braking is not easy if you haven't been doing it a lot, I don't care what you drive.

Bingo!! It's a matter of practice. If you are not used to it, it's hard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin_stevens

If you're moving your leg over to LFB, you're doomed to failure. You position your foot just over (but not riding) the brake as the standard position, and move it to the LEFT when you need to shift. Don't forget to move it over before you stab the clutch.

KeS

Right. Move your foot not your leg.

TriCycle STI C · Jul 22, 2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by plokivos

yeh, don't get me wrong, i could 50 % of the time get it done, it's just that its pia vs my prelude.

I kinda can relate to you coz when you are used to one car and all of a sudden jumping into another, you left foot has to find the brake pedal. It's take a while to adjust.

TriCycle STI C · Jul 22, 2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin_stevens

The benefits are that you shorten the transition time from gas to brake, you improve the overall smoothness of the transition (if you can execute), and you gain the ability to make minute adjustments in the balance of the car, particularly during corner exit, without lifting off the gas and blowing your turbo spinup.

One more...something in real tight hairpin you LFB to get the boost going earlier out of the hairpin. Although I have never done it myself, I just know that what they do in Rallying.

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Originally Posted by kevin_stevens

It's appropriate to use whenever the benefits outweigh the disadvantage (shrug). I *always* LFB when driving an automatic on the street, simply to gain benefit #1. I LFB in autocross at all times when I don't anticipate needing to downshift. I don't typically LFB on a track course unless I'm in traffic, mainly because you need to downshift much more commonly on a track turn than on an autox course.
KeS

I do exactly the same thing. I use my left foot to brake on streets just for fun and practice. On track I hardly find LFB necessary though. On some autoX events, I do find LTB to be benefiting, depends on the track...but most of the time I don't have the attn. to use LFB coz I am usually too busy watching the road than to remember LTB...

hagakure · Aug 1, 2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by plokivos

i've decided to get some 4 point harness to keep me in place.

I think the biggest problem is I"m so used to leaning my left knee on the left door due to me going all over the place that I think the 4 point harness would help me keep my body in check.

Recaro's are great, but it's like the stock brake pads. It's compromised...

I actually like the Viper Seats in SRT-4 or Viper than recaros... it's just that on the Viper seats, you can't really move that well. lol

Are you doing al of this on a racetrack?
If not, why the need for left foot braking?

iaus10 · Aug 5, 2005, 03:20 PM

I've used LFB, to trail-brake, autox'ing this year. Some people say it's a crutch to compensate for poor entry speeds... but I'll take what I can get. On 45 - 60 second courses with lots of tight corners, it gets me over a second per run, on average. Kinda torques me that I have to brake to get the car to rotate, whereas the other A-stock competition (C4 vettes, s2000) can use more gas.

My technique is to hover my foot over the brake and dab when necessary... move the entire leg back over to make shifts.

HoLeeRay · Aug 10, 2005, 12:56 PM

how does LFB transfer the weight of the car? i have auto-x'd a few times so far, but i haven't really gone to a road course.. mainly because there aren't that many in my area. i'm trying to figure out how LFB can help me, but as far as i can tell, keeping up boost is the only reason... on an AWD turbo car anyways.