MT motorcycle slicks - Page 6

Martin@AMS · Dec 26, 2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports

I understand your theory but when was the last time someone ran 140mph at the 60ft.. if the tire comes apart on the lauch i would guess your not going to sustain much injury.. Just my opinion though..

The worry is if the tire integrity gets compromised at the launch and then the stress of high speeds causes total failure. I've thought about using these tires on my car as there are many advantages to it but the risk just seems too high.

Mike@AwdMotorsports · Dec 26, 2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin@AMS

The worry is if the tire integrity gets compromised at the launch and then the stress of high speeds causes total failure. I've thought about using these tires on my car as there are many advantages to it but the risk just seems too high.

I guess anything can happen.. A Turbo Busa generally weighs 550lbs + a 150lb rider is 700lbs total.. They see near or over 200mph 1/4 mile passes and the dont have any known issues of high speed failure.. Like anything its always a gamble.. I dont see it as any different tha not have a scattershield which 90% of the cars that drag race dont have.. have you ever seen a flywheel cut thru the firewall and right thru the car??

scorke · Dec 26, 2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports

I guess anything can happen.. A Turbo Busa generally weighs 550lbs + a 150lb rider is 700lbs total.. They see near or over 200mph 1/4 mile passes and the dont have any known issues of high speed failure.. Like anything its always a gamble.. I dont see it as any different tha not have a scattershield which 90% of the cars that drag race dont have.. have you ever seen a flywheel cut thru the firewall and right thru the car??

Didnt you mile race turbo busas? You have been well over 200 on yours I know, and you are about one anorexic girl over 150 so they can probably hold close to 800-900 lbs of load, no?

Scorke

Mike@AwdMotorsports · Dec 26, 2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scorke

Didnt you mile race turbo busas? You have been well over 200 on yours I know, and you are about one anorexic girl over 150 so they can probably hold close to 800-900 lbs of load, no?

Scorke

You cannot run a slick in landspeed..

scorke · Dec 26, 2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports

Not everybody's car is an all out drag car.. a lot of guys daily drive their car, autocross their car and then hit the drag strip now and then..

If you are running motorcycle slicks on a 4wd car it might not be an all out drag car but its less safe than one..... I'm with martin/most wanted, I wouldnt run a motorcycle tire on my car for any reason or racing scenario.

Scorke

Mike@AwdMotorsports · Dec 26, 2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scorke

If you are running motorcycle slicks on a 4wd car it might not be an all out drag car but its less safe than one..... I'm with martin/most wanted, I wouldnt run a motorcycle tire on my car for any reason or racing scenario.

Scorke

That is correct and the same could be said for running wilwood no drag brakes on the street which are less safe than the brembos.. its up to the owner to choose which they would like to be less safe doing, street driving 10k miles a year or 1.25miles per every track day..

Mike

scorke · Dec 26, 2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports

That is correct and the same could be said for running wilwood no drag brakes on the street which are less safe than the brembos.. its up to the owner to choose which they would like to be less safe doing, street driving 10k miles a year or 1.25miles per every track day..

Mike

How are the wilwoods less safe? Are the wilwoods only rated to stop vehicles weighing 800 lbs?

I get what your saying mike but you chose the wrong component to compare them to. Wilwood/AMS makes a rally setup if you want a caliper/disc setup that will be road course worthy, the AMS drag setup is usable for autocross and solo 2 they say so thats more than good enough for the street.

Sorry mike.

Scorke

Mike@AwdMotorsports · Dec 26, 2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scorke

How are the wilwoods less safe? Are the wilwoods only rated to stop vehicles weighing 800 lbs?

I get what your saying mike but you chose the wrong component to compare them to. Wilwood/AMS makes a rally setup if you want a caliper/disc setup that will be road course worthy, the AMS drag setup is usable for autocross and solo 2 they say so thats more than good enough for the street.

Sorry mike.

Scorke

I am using the Drag racing no drag wilwood brake setup as example.. they dont stop anywhere near as well as the stock Evo brakes.. So unless you plan to swap brakes out everytime you want to run your 15" wheels you are sacrificing your street safety vs. closed course track..

EVO8_PR · Dec 26, 2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Most-Wanted

I understand what you are getting at, but if it isn't an all out drag car why are they worrying about .1 or .2 at best on the 60' then. Leave it alone and be happy with 1.5-1.6 60's. Be happy with 1.5-1.6 60's. For the people who can't pull 1.5-1.6 60's on a normal street tire, they wont be able to pull 1.3-1.4 60's on slicks, so it is all relative.

WOW 1.5's 60 footers on street tires you must be one of the best drivers in this forum

. Seriously I can't see you cutting 1.5's on street tire other than maybe some drag radials. And with regards to the .1-.2 seconds at best on the 60' times, with a 1.75 60' I ran a 10.98 @ 131. Two weeks later I installed the tires in question on this thread and although I didn't have the b@lls to launch hard, I did manage a 1.55 60 footer which dropped my time to 10.48 @ 133. Humm, half a second for the mere .2 in the 60 foot time seems like a good gain to me, and my car is in full street trim, Sunroof, A/C, Power Steering, and interior.

Johnboy1065 · Dec 26, 2008, 03:17 PM

I'd probably run these tires.....and I'm usually a paranoid person

Fathouse · Dec 26, 2008, 03:34 PM

I know a number of years ago and friend and I where at a NMRA race racing his low 10 second 5 speed stupidcharged mustang, there was a vender there selling slicks way cheap, my buddy bought a set, the guy even mounted them for us. We took the car out when we got home on the new slicks and they were downright scary, The car was all over the place and just downright scary to drive. We contaced M/T and the guy kinda freaked out because we had motorcycle slicks on the car. The rep said they were gonna go after the vender that sold and mounted them, but Idk if they did. We put a different set of tires on the car and had fun again.

I know there is alot of difference between a evo and a rwd car going down the track. Just watch out if you run them. That being said I would still run the bike slicks on my car. But I have never really been the best judge of what is safe and what is not. I used to street ride a 330hp turbo busa, that would get the blood pumping for sure.

Fathouse

Most-Wanted · Dec 26, 2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EVO8_PR

WOW 1.5's 60 footers on street tires you must be one of the best drivers in this forum

. Seriously I can't see you cutting 1.5's on street tire other than maybe some drag radials. And with regards to the .1-.2 seconds at best on the 60' times, with a 1.75 60' I ran a 10.98 @ 131. Two weeks later I installed the tires in question on this thread and although I didn't have the b@lls to launch hard, I did manage a 1.55 60 footer which dropped my time to 10.48 @ 133. Humm, half a second for the mere .2 in the 60 foot time seems like a good gain to me, and my car is in full street trim, Sunroof, A/C, Power Steering, and interior.

Street tires, not DR's

There are vids of my blue car on here. And its not new news that .1 at the 60' is a solid .2 on the back half. Yes there are great gains with slicks, so go do the set up right and put the car slicks on 9.9# trak lites or Volks

... I never ever understood why people like taking shortcuts. Its like trying to ride an enduro motorcycle one weekend at the road course and one weekend at the MX track.

Here is the info on only one night of runs since you are a bit of a skeptic. It can be done.
MOST-WANTED'S UPDATE! 11.50's

And heres the vid of the 1.59 60'

They were 18" CE28's with Falken Azeni RT 615's.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...-159_42949.htm

Funny thing is, that was back in May of 2006 and was almost full weight-LOL... The car weighed 3070 I believe without me in it. I only removed the passenger seats and tools/spare tire. Bumper supports and everything else where in that car for all of those runs. I didn't know squat back then. So, my point remains the same. Yu wanna build a fast 1/4 mile car, do it and go all out. If not leave the car alone and enjoy it daily, on a track day, and an occassional test tune night at the drags.... I just dont feel it is worth all the effort, money, and time to do the bike slicks. If you want a set of slicks, buy the proper stuff and go all out and shoot for 1.3's

fimotorsports · Dec 26, 2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EVO8_PR

WOW 1.5's 60 footers on street tires you must be one of the best drivers in this forum

. Seriously I can't see you cutting 1.5's on street tire other than maybe some drag radials. And with regards to the .1-.2 seconds at best on the 60' times, with a 1.75 60' I ran a 10.98 @ 131. Two weeks later I installed the tires in question on this thread and although I didn't have the b@lls to launch hard, I did manage a 1.55 60 footer which dropped my time to 10.48 @ 133. Humm, half a second for the mere .2 in the 60 foot time seems like a good gain to me, and my car is in full street trim, Sunroof, A/C, Power Steering, and interior.

it is possible... I ran many 1.5's 60 foots on an all season tires, stock turbo and 35r. Just have to have some finess on the launch.

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Originally Posted by Martin@AMS

The worry is if the tire integrity gets compromised at the launch and then the stress of high speeds causes total failure. I've thought about using these tires on my car as there are many advantages to it but the risk just seems too high.

on top of that they are only recommended for a 6.5 - 7 inch wide rim. When they are stretched to an 8 inch rim I can only imagine the possibilities of what could go wrong.

StreetThisEvo · Dec 26, 2008, 06:08 PM

I've pulled high 1.5's on my stock OEM tires and a 1.52 on my BFGoodrich DR's.

davidbuschur · Dec 26, 2008, 07:09 PM

I have never driven my personal car on these tires only because I don't bother putting a handicapped guy behind the wheel

Kevin and Trent have both driven my car on the M/T motorcycle slicks. They both say they are scarey on the top end and you need to pay attention and keep the car straight. Yes, they hook up well.

Four of us spoke to M/T at the SEMA show about making a tire for the EVO/WRX. The VP at M/T was cooperative at the time. Told me to contact him. 3-4 emails and a couple phone calls and I have had no luck contacting him.

I'm with some of the others. I don't think anyone should run the tires