Wideband

2SloEvo · Feb 2, 2006, 07:23 AM

Hey guys, I have an innovate wideband LC-1 and XD-1 gauge and was wondering if anyone who has an autronic uses the innovate? Is it even compatible with the autronic sm4, if not which wideband are people using?

Jokeri · Feb 3, 2006, 08:22 AM

lc-1 will work fine with sm4 !
Check innovates forum for more information

WHTEVO · Feb 3, 2006, 08:26 AM

Yes you can use it. Innovative has a adapter cable you can buy to use what you have rather than buying the expensive Autronic wideband. Good luck.

GOT EVO · Feb 3, 2006, 08:59 AM

You can also use any PLX wideband with a resistor network. I have this setup on my Evo with the Autronic PnP and it works great. I have also done some tuning on a buddies civic with a SMC and using an LM-1 with the innovate autronic cable. The day I helped him set it up for some reason it seemed laggy as far as autronic recording data through the LM-1. It may have just been that unit but thats all the experience i have with the LM-1 and autronic. I have also used the Autronic analyzer at the same time as my PLX ( using 2 widebands at the same time ) and the readings were dead on to .1 higher on the autronic widebad but it was also about 2 feet closer to the turbo so that is a good possability for it reading slightly richer.

2SloEvo · Feb 3, 2006, 09:40 AM

thanks for the responses guys! I found on the innovate website that the autronic cable is not needed with the lc-1 which is what i have, so i'm pretty sure i won't be needing the cable. I am probably not gonna go with the sm4, I am going to get the PnP just for ease of installation plus it has many of the features I am looking for at this point!

turboevo8 · Feb 7, 2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SloEvo

thanks for the responses guys! I found on the innovate website that the autronic cable is not needed with the lc-1 which is what i have, so i'm pretty sure i won't be needing the cable. I am probably not gonna go with the sm4, I am going to get the PnP just for ease of installation plus it has many of the features I am looking for at this point!

Just curious if you got the LM1 working with your plug n play board? I have this setup but have not looked into hooking up the LM1 yet. I was also told I don't need the wire and it will work fine.

If you got it working, can you tell me how you hooked it up?

GOT EVO · Feb 8, 2006, 07:10 AM

If you try to plug any wideband into autronic other than the autronic analyzer you WILL NOT get correct readings. The autronic analyzer has a specific voltage that it runs on, So the ECU was designed and calibrated to read that specific voltage. The only way to get correct readings is by using a resistor network such as my diagram for the PLX wideband and the innovate cable.

2SloEvo · Feb 8, 2006, 07:32 AM

I don't have the lm-1 I have the lc-1 w/ the gauge, I should be getting the pnp board within the next month or so.

GotEvo, the innovate website said the autronic cable was needed with the LM-1 but not needed with the LC-1 which is what i'll be using. If the wideband won't read the afr's correctly because of the autronics certain voltage than i'll get the cable but I am just going off of what the website said.

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Originally Posted by turboevo8

Just curious if you got the LM1 working with your plug n play board? I have this setup but have not looked into hooking up the LM1 yet. I was also told I don't need the wire and it will work fine.

If you got it working, can you tell me how you hooked it up?

GOT EVO · Feb 8, 2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SloEvo

I don't have the lm-1 I have the lc-1 w/ the gauge, I should be getting the pnp board within the next month or so.

GotEvo, the innovate website said the autronic cable was needed with the LM-1 but not needed with the LC-1 which is what i'll be using. If the wideband won't read the afr's correctly because of the autronics certain voltage than i'll get the cable but I am just going off of what the website said.

I understand that, I just dont want you to mess your car up if the reading is off. Autronic adjust your fuel map by taking the recorded AF divided by the target AF multiplied by the site value in the fuel table. According to Autronic no WBo2 will work properly with the ECU.

2SloEvo · Feb 8, 2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GOT EVO

I understand that, I just dont want you to mess your car up if the reading is off. Autronic adjust your fuel map by taking the recorded AF divided by the target AF multiplied by the site value in the fuel table. According to Autronic no WBo2 will work properly with the ECU.

Thanks for looking out man I know exactly what your saying, I just wasn't sure because the website was stating that it wasn't needed with the the lc-1. The cable is only $50 so it's worth it to insure accurate readings! You've answered alot of my questions in this thread and in others in this forum and I appreciate that, any more info keep me informed! I just can't wait until i get the board, get the car tuned and start figuring out how to use the software.

Jokeri · Feb 8, 2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SloEvo

Thanks for looking out man I know exactly what your saying, I just wasn't sure because the website was stating that it wasn't needed with the the lc-1. The cable is only $50 so it's worth it to insure accurate readings! You've answered alot of my questions in this thread and in others in this forum and I appreciate that, any more info keep me informed! I just can't wait until i get the board, get the car tuned and start figuring out how to use the software.

You dont need autronic cable with lc-1.
lc-1 has voltage devider build in. When you connect lc-1 to autronic you only have to adjust the span and offset from the autronic software so that the software will
show same numbers as the lc-1..

turboevo8 · Feb 8, 2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jokeri

You dont need autronic cable with lc-1.
lc-1 has voltage devider build in. When you connect lc-1 to autronic you only have to adjust the span and offset from the autronic software so that the software will
show same numbers as the lc-1..

I believe that is the same with the LM1, as I am told by Innovate, but still have not tried it. I am just wanting someone to confirm that tried this already. Cort@innovatemotorsports.com said I did not need the cable, but it is still a little confusing on how I should hook it up on my PNP board.

Jokeri · Feb 9, 2006, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by turboevo8

I believe that is the same with the LM1, as I am told by Innovate, but still have not tried it. I am just wanting someone to confirm that tried this already. Cort@innovatemotorsports.com said I did not need the cable, but it is still a little confusing on how I should hook it up on my PNP board.

You´re maybe right. Now that you mentioned it, i remember reading
something about that the sm4 have differential inputs or something like that..

here it is and there is also explained what the autronic cable do

GOT EVO · Feb 9, 2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SloEvo

Thanks for looking out man I know exactly what your saying, I just wasn't sure because the website was stating that it wasn't needed with the the lc-1. The cable is only $50 so it's worth it to insure accurate readings! You've answered alot of my questions in this thread and in others in this forum and I appreciate that, any more info keep me informed! I just can't wait until i get the board, get the car tuned and start figuring out how to use the software.

My big advice is to just not try to autotune with any other wideband than the autronic analyzer. If your wideband is even off .1 when it is converted to an autronic signal you will never get an accurate tune because of how the math works when adjusting the fuel table. Autronic will make adjustments then check itself and be way off because the reading is off. It would kinda be like tring to catch a greased pig

I didnt touch my autronic base map until i had driven with both the PLX wideband and my local Autronic Dealer's Autronic Analyzer. Like i said before the Plx reading through autronic was .1 leaner than the autronic analyzer.

On the autronic fourm there have been emails between plx engineers and ray hall ( the man at autronic ) and the plx engineers after many failed attempts to get ray to believe that there device would read exactly the same as the autronic WBo2 finally broke down and stated that their unit when using resistors would read .3 off. And this will be the same case with other WBo2's aswell.

turboevo8 · Feb 9, 2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jokeri

You´re maybe right. Now that you mentioned it, i remember reading
something about that the sm4 have differential inputs or something like that..

here it is and there is also explained what the autronic cable do

Well, I guess I was wrong. I think I need the cable. I just emailed Cort again and now he tells me I need the cable. You see how this can get confusing? Below is the email he wrote me.

From Innovate............................

Yes, you would need to purchase the P/N: 3745 (Autronic Cable) That will connect to (1) of the (2) analog outputs. The other analog output can be used for your Halmeter. Both analog outputs are programmable 0-5 volts. We do include a detailed diagram of how to setup the Autronic interface cable.

Thanks,

Cort