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Old Jan 10, 2008, 09:43 AM
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Why AMS recommends Race balance shafts

Why AMS recommends Race balance shafts

In our experience using a stub shaft when removing balance shafts can increase the chances of oil pump failures. This can be caused by the lack of support provided by the rear bearing on the original balance shaft. The support is needed to prevent the oil pump gears from pushing apart and wearing into the aluminum pump housing. Once the process begins the gears can continue and wear enough to cause them to seize. During this whole process the aluminum that is being worn away can enter the clean oil stream and contaminate engine bearings and other components causing them to wear prematurely.

To help prevent this process we have come up with a way to support the oil pump gears and still remove the rotating mass. We start with a stock balance shaft then, spin it in a lathe to make sure there is no radial run out. This ensures that the shaft will spin true in the bore and not cause premature bearing wear. We then machine the weights and extra material off in a precision lathe and re measure run out to verify nothing changed during the machining process. All parts get cleaned thoroughly and are ready for installation. In the pictures below you will see the differences in the three shafts available. There are also substantial weight differences in the three shafts as seen below.



http://www.amsperformance.com/store/...oducts_id=1550
Old Jan 10, 2008, 10:37 AM
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Looks like a smart peice!
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How much use does the stock balance shaft get before needing to be replaced?
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AMS FTW!!!

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Old Jan 10, 2008, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by meanmud
How much use does the stock balance shaft get before needing to be replaced?
When building a motor most people remove the balance shafts to prevent from having a balance shaft belt failing and taking out the timing belt and such.

The shaft wearing out or Spinning a balance shaft bearing take a while to do.

Removing the balance shaft can be attributed to preventative maintenance

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Old Jan 10, 2008, 04:52 PM
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spinning a balance shaft bearing FTL

That's why I have an AMS 2.3 with race balance shaft now.
Old Jan 10, 2008, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AutoMotoSports
When building a motor most people remove the balance shafts to prevent from having a balance shaft belt failing and taking out the timing belt and such.

The shaft wearing out or Spinning a balance shaft bearing take a while to do.

Removing the balance shaft can be attributed to preventative maintenance

Eric
Thanks Eric!!

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Old Jan 11, 2008, 07:24 AM
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It is generally recommended that you remove the balance shafts if you're trying for very high RPMs - i.e. in excess of 8500. Since the shafts spin at twice the RPM, they may become a liability as you rev the engine higher. IMO, the AMS kit is especially nice if you're road racing or Autocrossing, since it provides some support during high cornering loads.

If you plan on tuning with the stock ECU, however, I would strongly recommend sticking to a lower RPM limit and keeping the shafts in there. I have a built 2.0 with the AMS race balance shaft kit, and the stock ECU does not like the extra noise _at_all_ - especially between 3000 and 4000 RPM.

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Old Jan 11, 2008, 10:11 AM
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i know this happens in some nissan's but would the stock 4g63t balance shaft cause the oil to froth at higher rpm's? if so that is another reason for this part.
Old Jan 11, 2008, 10:23 AM
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wow, I swear I posted in here. ? idk?


anyways, I have the AMS race shaft in mine, havent ran it yet, but it looks beautiful! Great job on it
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I have the regular stubby shaft in my DSM and polyurethane motor mounts, the vibration really isn't as bad as people say. It seems like it revs up a little quicker as well.
Old Jan 11, 2008, 10:57 AM
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Would you guys have something like this for the 4g64 block? p.s. this is going into a galant
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This will work in a 4g64 block. We use 4g64 blocks for 2.1 and 2.3RR motors.
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Another winner from AMS, the best!!

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Old thread... Sorry

When u run the Ams balance shaft eliminator kit do still run the belts? I would think not... But just want to be clear.

Thank u (-:


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