I'm torn between the two right now, and I'm not sure which mod I should do first. Right now all I have on the car is a tbe. Any input will be appreciated

Cams. Because you cant run out cams.......

Scorke

Do you mean I'll have to keep refilling the alcohol? I don't really boost much around town anyways, so I wouldn't be using much alky. At the track though, that's another story

Yes, not to mention that when it messes up, or if anything were to go wrong you would do damage to your car, this is all on the assumption that if you were to get either one of these options it would include tune, and a boost controller, so if your alk kit messed up under boost your engine would be toast.

Scorke

Yeah, I would be getting either mod tuned. So pretty much you vote against the alky due to the potential danger involved with running higher boost, and not spraying any alky into the system.

There is a whole bunch of mods you should get before concidering alky, so at this point i would say cams if you're forcing the issue of only these two mods as a possibility.

When you say a whole bunch of mods, do you mean like a fuel pump, or power mods? I already have a mbc, and the fuel pump and arp head studs are on order

I'd definately go with the cams first.

Cams!

When you say a whole bunch of mods, do you mean like a fuel pump, or power mods? I already have a mbc, and the fuel pump and arp head studs are on order

I'm torn between the two also. I mean for me it different (IX), I'm thinkin about gettin the TT intake cam. I was considering alky because like KO said, you should have the basics first. I'm ready for it but not sure about you. If all you have is a fuel pump and mbc, then no.
I have two knowledgable friends who helped me decide the risk with alky is not worth it for me. Yes the extra power would be great. Yes there are failsafes to help prevent destroying your engine. But, all it takes is a split second of failure from the pump, the line getting clogged, etc and you could blow it. I'll wait and see what develops in the future, then probably get one.
Exhaust, cams, tune first. Just my .02

y not both?

I can do both down the road, but not at once. I already purchased an alky kit, but I'm thinking about buying cams and having them installed rather than installing the alky.

Cams all the way. I'm in the same boat but i'm going to get both since they both have to be tuned anyways. On top of that, I also have to throw in a act clutch now to actually put the power to the ground.

I'm not on the stock clutch either.

both

j/k

i would go allkey first

both

j/k

i would go allkey first
Any reason in particular?

depends on what cams you are thinking about also

y not both?
Because his question was, cams or alky.....where has reading comprehension gone....

The reason why I think the cams are a better move is A. The lesser chance of them causing a catastrophic failure B. The amount of boost you would want to run to get the most out of the gains really isn't safe in my mind without head studs, but you will probably want to do that down the road anyway and C. The cams are something that you will always be benefiting from, and never have to continually waste cash on (in the form of alk)

Scorke

99% of the people go with cams before alky. Id like to hear from Warrtalon on this one since he was tuned with an alky kit before adding the cams.

99% of the people go with cams before alky. Id like to hear from Warrtalon on this one since he was tuned with an alky kit before adding the cams.
he also ran a 12.01 at 113.7 without cams and running an alky-like octane mix of race gas and pump.

he also ran a 12.01 at 113.7 without cams and running an alky-like octane mix of race gas and pump.


Warrtalon > all.

When you say a whole bunch of mods, do you mean like a fuel pump, or power mods? I already have a mbc, and the fuel pump and arp head studs are on order

I meant both, but don't worry about it now. You should have said this in your original post..

Now i would say it really doesn't matter which one you get first. Do you have a tune already? Maybe BOV because sotcker leaks boost. Maybe 10.5 hotside (im not sure what year your car is)

No tune yet, I would be getting it tuned once I put the alky in, or the cams

Get alky and cams THEN tune. That is what i am doing.

Cams first-then alky {thumbup}
Then be ready to spend 5-10k on a motor if something fails

Buy the Gsc, or Comp 272s and get them installed by Scott, then a couple weeks later get Scott to install the alky kit.

Are you going to help me pay for it will?

In order of most power yeild to least:

1) Alcohol, Cams (stock valvetrain type), Tune
2) Alcohol, tune
3) Cams, Tune
4) Cams Untuned
5) Alcohol Untuned

Are you going to help me pay for it will?



Sure

+whatever for both

...i'd rock the cams first..take advantage of better flowing intake and exhaust gases..once used to that... slap in meth and now take advantage of lower intake temps...for increased timing ...and boost...cams and meth = "oh happy day"

i'd definaltely go with cams

I would suggest cams first because its constant power but alky shortly after because the gains are amazing when combined...

alky is less $, easier install, shorter install, not to mention between just these two mods an Alky Evo will destroy a cammed one, and not all Evos self destruct under boost when there is a problem with the alky kit. im not sayin that cams arent good a upgrade, im not sayin that cam arnt safer,but some people dont want the cars to idle in a way to let the world know your mods. theres no law saying u have to do certain mods in "this order only or else your screwed." Or you could think outside the box and do things your own way based on your own research. D Buscher sells and tunes alky kits on near stock Evos all the time. Finally the torque increase is amazing.

Cam it first and then play around with Alky!!

alcohol is the "cheaper" choice of the 2.

alot of people 1/2ass cam installs by getting all the necessary internals to SUPPORT them. then they wonder why they have "lifter tick" after 3 months...

i say alky