I just spend a considerable amount of $ building a new motor w/ Carrillo rods, forged pistons, good valves head etc...because of a few "issues" i had last year

I want the maximum performance on pump gas & it seems that Injection is the only way to run higher boost levels-Only problem is the horror stories that I've heard w/ pump failure etc...-The last thing i want to do is spend another $10,000 building a new motor So.....Should I or shouldn't I do it?

yes buy one of the kits with a failsafe like the AMS which will lower ur boost as soon as something happens to the alky kit

It's cheap and easy HP. With the failsafes in place now, there shouldn't be any issues. Just tuning.

yes buy one of the kits with a failsafe like the AMS which will lower ur boost as soon as something happens to the alky kit

I have this kit. What is the new fail safe?

I no longer have the Vishnu Exede & did not purchase an AEM EMS (which I understand would allow you to run a nitrous map w/ some failsafe in it?)
So,....What failsafe would I have?

I just upgraded my pump with alkycontrol who makes AMS' kit and he didn't mention anything about a failsafe either.....Anyone who does have an older pump, it is worth sending out to get modified for peace of mind. It was only $44.

The most economic means of having a "failsafe" mode would be to instal a flow monitor between the pump and nozzle which will then activate a safe timing/tune setting or open the WG.

If you have just the ECU by itself then a flow sensor that energizes a NC WG actuator solenoid would work by dropping the boost in event of spray failure. If you have other forms of aftermarket eng mgmt. the flow sensing controller can also pull timing in addition to dropping boost to 13 psi.

Another way for a wider margin of safety is by spraying just enough methanol to inhibit detonation for your desired peak boost. If overloads of methanol is used the tune will use less gas to compensate which pushes one further away from safety

Details on who sells failsafe products can be found in this section

Snow Performance has a kit with a failsafe/boost cut. Great kit high quality materials and hardware.

I have decided at this point to not rush into anything, so I'm not going methanol right now-Looking into other options race gas, bigger turbo etc...
Thanks for the SNOW info i'll check into it!

here is a link (http://www.snowperformance.net/proddetail.asp?prod=SI%2D10)

Hell Ya !! run safe and dont have to spend that money on C-16 all the time.

Anybody have any feedback on AMS's kit?
Am I just being a puss about this or?

Go for it, just do it right.

Even when "done right" it's not always up to me :D

Even when "done right" it's not always up to me
I hear ya,
the wife allways has the last word

I have decided at this point to not rush into anything, so I'm not going methanol right now-Looking into other options race gas, bigger turbo etc...
Thanks for the SNOW info i'll check into it!
go with a NON-PROGRESSIVE system and add the Aquamist DDS3. Nothing out there can touch this combo! :beer:

Yes.
I think the best way of running Alky is Shiv's new "lean protection" feature.

A quote from Shiv's post

1) Lean Run Protect
You define the leanest allowable on-boost AFR curve (5 RPM points) and decide how long it needs to be triggered for (0.5 sec is long enough to not induce false triggers caused by sensor lag) and let the XEDE do the rest. By "rest" I mean a sudden boost drop. If it still remains leaner than that threshold at the lower boost (say another 1 second), it'll do a hard fuel cut. The user can change the conditional logic (allowable time durations, actions, etc,.) This is critical for Methanol use where a pump failor or a jet clogging will destroy a motor in no time. Also good for protection in the case of fuel pump failure or anything else that could induce leanrun.

here's the link...
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=183252

I'll have to rethink my Xede now hmmmm........

If you need any info on snow just let me know...

Yes.
I think the best way of running Alky is Shiv's new "lean protection" feature.

A quote from Shiv's post

1) Lean Run Protect
You define the leanest allowable on-boost AFR curve (5 RPM points) and decide how long it needs to be triggered for (0.5 sec is long enough to not induce false triggers caused by sensor lag) and let the XEDE do the rest. By "rest" I mean a sudden boost drop. If it still remains leaner than that threshold at the lower boost (say another 1 second), it'll do a hard fuel cut. The user can change the conditional logic (allowable time durations, actions, etc,.) This is critical for Methanol use where a pump failor or a jet clogging will destroy a motor in no time. Also good for protection in the case of fuel pump failure or anything else that could induce leanrun.

here's the link...
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=183252


Plus either snows or aquamist failsafe. makes it a "safer" system.

Our Safe Injection upgrade actually measures fluid flow and if it drops below a preset level, it triggers an output that can be used to operate a wastegate solenoid/boost controller or ignition retard etc. on a standalone.

Our Safe Injection upgrade actually measures fluid flow and if it drops below a preset level, it triggers an output that can be used to operate a wastegate solenoid/boost controller or ignition retard etc. on a standalone.

Very Nice {thumbup}

When im not so busy I will post up a video of the failsafe in action:)

Now were talking Failsafe! Awesome info :thumbup: -Keep it comin'!

Our Safe Injection upgrade actually measures fluid flow and if it drops below a preset level, it triggers an output that can be used to operate a wastegate solenoid/boost controller or ignition retard etc. on a standalone.

I am building a Shurflo based 100% methanol injection system for a friend, will be using a 15GPH - 945cc/min jet and considering using the SI-10 unit.

What happens when the injector has a partial clog or a pump that is semi-working and the flow of injectant falls in the range somewhere between (6GPH - 378cc/min) and (15GPH - 945cc/min)?