Ralliart vs Evo X

theirvin · Oct 16, 2009, 01:21 PM

This might be a personal preference question, but im asking myself this alot lately. Is it worth modifying the ralliart( big brakes, suspension,racing seats, new turbo, upper &lower intercooler piping, fuel rail, injectors, exhaust, wheels, ect) or just buying a used evo x since it has most of the upgrades already in a nice fun package. I'm have this delima because im deciding if to drop $5k in my ralliart or just put it down in a used evo x since there more affodable now. My purpose is having a good track car mostly time attack race style. I think i rather have the 5 speed instead of the tc-sst tranny, but any feedback would be helpful.

Fourdoor · Oct 16, 2009, 01:25 PM

If you want a track car you would probably be happier with a used EVO X GSR. Probably get an 08 GSR used for the same price or under what you would pay for a new Ralliart.

Keith

IdriveRA · Oct 16, 2009, 01:33 PM

buy a ralliart for a DD and maybe slightly mod it.
Dont make it a wannabe X, just more benificial to actually buy an X.
Better foundation to build upon.

And fourdoor, just curious. what is your RA running WHP-wise and drag strip times?
thats alot of mods for having it a week, lol.

lancer0220 · Oct 16, 2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fourdoor

If you want a track car you would probably be happier with a used EVO X GSR. Probably get an 08 GSR used for the same price or under what you would pay for a new Ralliart.

Keith

what he said.

Fourdoor · Oct 16, 2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IdriveRA

buy a ralliart for a DD and maybe slightly mod it.
Dont make it a wannabe X, just more benificial to actually buy an X.
Better foundation to build upon.

And fourdoor, just curious. what is your RA running WHP-wise and drag strip times?
thats alot of mods for having it a week, lol.

I will be updating everyone Saturday night after I get back to the track

First time at the track (bone stock, had the car one day) I ran 14.1xx at 104.xx (full rundown posted in drag forum)

I will make some runs "as is" and then load in the GST base map for comparison purposes.

Keith

toredefine · Oct 16, 2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by idrivera

buy a ralliart for a dd and maybe slightly mod it.
Dont make it a wannabe x, just more benificial to actually buy an x.
better foundation to build upon.

this.

Bo0yaka · Oct 16, 2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theirvin

I think i rather have the 5 speed instead of the tc-sst tranny, but any feedback would be helpful.

You answered it right there

EVO's are sick track cars.... I know some people that said they where "too predictable" on the track so they sold em and got something that wasn't as "easy" to drive hahahahah

Ralliart's are really the best bang for the buck, I wanted a fun daily driver so I choose the Ralliart and couldn't be happier.

Ladogaboy · Oct 16, 2009, 05:56 PM

As a daily driver, the Ralliart is far superior to the EVO GSR. The TC-SST makes it more flexible in terms of city driving; the interior is nicer; better fuel economy; cheaper cost of ownership. If you are buying a "sporty" yet economical daily driver, go with the Ralliart.

None of the things I mentioned above matter for a track car, and if you are strictly concerned with performance, buy the EVO.

dboz · Oct 16, 2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladogaboy

As a daily driver, the Ralliart is far superior to the EVO GSR. The TC-SST makes it more flexible in terms of city driving; the interior is nicer; better fuel economy; cheaper cost of ownership. If you are buying a "sporty" yet economical daily driver, go with the Ralliart.

None of the things I mentioned above matter for a track car, and if you are strictly concerned with performance, buy the EVO.

Interior is exactly the same. I have gotten 22.5 MPG in my GSR. Cheaper car, cheaper cost of ownership.....maybe? Brakes are cheaper. Tires are cheaper. Engine and tranny service still pricey. AWD system maintenance about the same costs also?! I really don't see the economy in a low 20 ish MPG daily driver. If all these items are a concern get the X. If you don't want to shift, get the MR or RA.

Ladogaboy · Oct 17, 2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dboz

Interior is exactly the same. I have gotten 22.5 MPG in my GSR. Cheaper car, cheaper cost of ownership.....maybe? Brakes are cheaper. Tires are cheaper. Engine and tranny service still pricey. AWD system maintenance about the same costs also?! I really don't see the economy in a low 20 ish MPG daily driver. If all these items are a concern get the X. If you don't want to shift, get the MR or RA.

Cost of ownership is significantly higher with the EVO. I can't speak for individual experiences with fuel economy, but generally speaking, less power with taller gears equals better fuel economy. The EVO's tires and brakes are significantly more expensive than the RA, as are the costs to insure and register the car.

For some reason, I thought the GSR didn't have some of the interior options that the RA does, but I guess I'm wrong about that.

Also, a couple of other sticking points: less trunk space on the EVO and it has a stiffer suspension/harsher ride.

show time · Oct 17, 2009, 07:52 AM

Biggest difference from R/A to EVO X is suspension/twin scroll turbo/FMIC size/Tire and body width/wider stance. If you are going to be doing some time trials you will most definitely see a difference in how the car responds in the corners. The R/A is good but not up there with EVO X suspension set up. So with that being said Tein coil overs will help you along quickly as for the turbo an upgrade to the EVO X will fit up just fine and same with the FMIC set up. So with 5k to spend you just need to find an X that is getting some major upgrades and see if you cant get some 2nd hand (good CONDITION) parts. O and some tools to put it on with.

The SST tranny has had some time trials run on it in Road and Track. The professional drivers said it shifted at the same time they would have shifted in and out of several different styles of turns under heavy breaking. Now dragging on the SST might not be a great idea. But really have no solid info that it cant stand up to it. As for the tires Tire Rack can always hook you up with some new shoes and treads. But the Body width and wider stance of the EVO X is some thing you will just have to do without unless you are a master fabricator with a minor in welding. There will be R/A's out there that are going to out perform an X but you better have some deeeeeeep pockets and a good tuner.

P.S. UMMM HEHE The X also have some upgraded brakes on them called BREMBO'S (maybe you have heard of them) they might make an absolutely huge difference on time trials to.