ralliart swap ?'s

zachallen19 · Jun 29, 2009, 12:17 AM

i have an 04 ralliart and im tired of it. i want to boost it but im not going to spend $5000 on the kit and im scared to build one bc i dont want to blow the damn thing up. what i really want to do is a 4g63 swap i just need a little help.
im very mechanically enclined but i work on older cars and trucks. i dontknow much about the wiring. will the computers have to be changed what all ????
please some help
thanks

stEVOx · Jun 29, 2009, 12:27 AM

if you are doing a complete swap you need to change everything, buy a half or front cut evo and swap that in...
but if you think you can do all that probably better using that money to buy forged internals for the 69 and boost it up ... but yeah whatever floats your boat

zachallen19 · Jun 29, 2009, 12:34 AM

well cant say i know much bout thecomputer side of boosting something
but i could build the header i could cnc the flange and weld a turbo header on it
buy a big 16g off ebay and an intercooler and piping fuel pump injectors......... and so on for around $1000 bucks but what else i live out in the sticks in cleveland ga there is no one around here to tune the car and i dont know enough bout the computer side of it all..

silversleeper · Jun 29, 2009, 01:43 AM

There is a thread on here that someone is selling a custom kit with some RRM stuff like the computer ect. I dont know what kind of kit your looking for, but if you know alot about motors, then just call RRM. PM ROCK on this forum and see if he would sell you the computer for there kit. I know there is a guy selling his kit for around 2200 in the for sell section some where. It's a custom build but with RRM's computer and a 5th injector. If your looking to go with 4 over sized injectors then I would say buy a kit, use search on here, talk to some people who have custom kits and see what computers there using. Take your car into some one that you trust, have them put the kit on and tune at the shop and your good to go. (that is if you have other modes of transportation). If you cant to do then you could always rent a car, because buy the time you swapped out the evo motor into your car, you could have build a 4g69 and still saved money. There are plenty of threads on here about internals. I am one of them that has a second motor that I am building. The parts list is all over this forum sooo search and you will find what you need to know ect.

4g64fiero · Jun 29, 2009, 03:01 AM

It would be much easier to buy an already turbo dsm like a 1990-1999 eclipse or talon. They already have a 4g63. Then you can spend the money saved and make 400hp easily.

Ofcourse if you have to keep your car then this probably isnt an option but you can find dsms for around 1k if you keep a look out.

joeyj · Jun 29, 2009, 03:26 AM

a guy on here recently (about 6-8 months ago IIRC) finished the first 4g69 to 4g63 swap.

according to him it cost ~8k for the whole thing, 4k for new engine and 4k for miscellaneous parts/labor.
*edit* here is his post from how much it cost

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Originally Posted by dumdumix

if a calcul part and tuning! 8500$ ( engine 3500$, autronic sm4 2000$, rad,piping,clutch, full ajustable tein suspension ,etc = 2200$ , tuning 700$ ) my hour was priceless =D lol i spend too much time, but I am not a mechanic, so i had read ( for wiring diagram) and try and try again for put this swap!!

Matt

you will be better off turbo'ing it and building engine up than complete swap.

here is the thread from the guy that did the swap
Ralliart 05 swaped Evo8

**otter** · Jun 29, 2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 4g64fiero

It would be much easier to buy an already turbo dsm like a 1990-1999 eclipse or talon. They already have a 4g63. Then you can spend the money saved and make 400hp easily.

Ofcourse if you have to keep your car then this probably isnt an option but you can find dsms for around 1k if you keep a look out.

This. In my opinion, you're better off starting with a car that's already turbocharged. If you insist on keeping the Ralliart, the turbo kit is going to be your cheapest option.

Juan Martinez · Jun 29, 2009, 07:55 AM

I would get the motor, accessories, wiring and ecu and just mate it to the transmission you have now and keep it FWD. It would keep the price around 3 to 4k.

zachallen19 · Jun 30, 2009, 03:02 PM

yea i would love to buy a wrx but i dont have to money right now
ive got a few vehicles i could drive while working on my car i just dont want to blow it up
i would love to boost the 69 instead of a swap but i dontknow what electronics i need such as boost controller ........

**otter** · Jun 30, 2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zachallen19

yea i would love to buy a wrx but i dont have to money right now
ive got a few vehicles i could drive while working on my car i just dont want to blow it up
i would love to boost the 69 instead of a swap but i dontknow what electronics i need such as boost controller ........

Best off buying a kit. This car has a temperamental ECU, so unless you plan on going full-standalone, buy a kit from a company who has already figured out the issues.

zachallen19 · Jun 30, 2009, 05:06 PM

ok thanks
this is what im talking bout im a newbie when it comes to these things what would a stand alone unit be?
sorry know its stupid ?s but thats how you learn

Juan Martinez · Jun 30, 2009, 05:08 PM

Get 4g63 and keep it FWD

zachallen19 · Jun 30, 2009, 05:12 PM

i was planning on keeping it fwd
(what makes a honda swap so easy)

GPTourer · Jun 30, 2009, 05:15 PM

I really don't think its a good idea to do an engine swap, unless you are totally in love with your car, and you're not - you said you are tired of it. I think it would be better to sell it and buy either a used Evo or a DSM.

If you had said "I love my car, but I need more power." Then buying a front clip from a USDM VIII or IX would be the way to go. OR just going to a salvage yard and buying the engine, harness and ECU.

zachallen19 · Jun 30, 2009, 05:53 PM

thats my answer so if i go to the junk yard and pull a 4g63 from a gst or something all i need is the wiring harness and the ecu? do i need the harness from the whole car or just the motor harness? because im guessing that the computer wont hook up in my ra the whole harness inside the dash will have to be changed also correct or not????
sorry donknow much bout this
do know alot about engines tho!!