RalliArt ECU reflash - who wants one?

[RPRalliart04]

count me in.... sounds like a good deal to me!

[shiroboi]

Originally Posted by EM@WORKS

We were the very first tuner to flash the EVO ECU in the spring of '03 and our software engineers have disassembled more maps than any others to gain the best understanding of the factory ECU logic.
We are currently working around the clock to provide a flash for the 2.4L MIVEC and 3.8L Mitsubishi family of ECUs.

This is necessary as we are building a special WORKS TR-Edition Eclipse for Mitsubishi Motors North America for the '05 SEMA show. We could not begin our list of serious engine modifications without complete control over the factory software.
Although we don't have an exact release date, stay tuned to our website for more information as the year progresses.
Thank you.

Unfortunately I won't be checking back on this thread but please call 415.641.WORKS (9675) or write info@worksmitsu.com if you have any questions.

Ding ding ding ding ding, we have a winner!

The 06 Eclipse GS shall be our salvation!!!

[AdamRA]

Good to hear that someone is at least looking into this. I guess the dealer will be able to see that is modified though?

[WoRkZ]

Originally Posted by EM@WORKS

We are currently working around the clock to provide a flash for the 2.4L MIVEC and 3.8L Mitsubishi family of ECUs.

OMFG! It worked!!! Someone will in fact make this reflash for us!!! Is it christmas already? Man, I can't wait to see what the results are on that map!!!

I hope this won't be the standard case of "ship us your ECU and you may even get it back" type of deal though. We really need a local reflash option... it's such a better deal for everyone.

Anyway, I hope this gets done for real... and that the price is reasonable too. A 600$ reflash is pushing it quite a bit IMO. I thought 499$ for the APR reflash was kinda high... but considering the encriptionm multi-maping and toggle switch functions, you probably get your money's worth out of the deal. But 600$, no stealth, no toggle... yeah, I know it's 30 more HP and all, but it's just too pricey for me. The dyno and tuning run is an awesome idea, but you actually have to drive the car to that specific shop to have it done anyway... so I can't see the appeal for me. I'd rather pay 300$, gain only 20hp but have it reflashed in 5 minutes, no hassle and off I go.

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[WoRkZ]

Originally Posted by AdamRA

Good to hear that someone is at least looking into this. I guess the dealer will be able to see that is modified though?

Yes, but why would they plug your car in unless there's problem with it? Is you suspect a serious problem (IE: the engine blew up on you), you might still be able to have it reflashed back to original specs anyway... you'd save what, 2500$ on the engine?

No, I think it's quite safe of the mapping is done by people who know what they're doing... and the risk of the dealer ever knowing about it is quite slim. If it gives us in excess of 15hp and the price is right, I'll be saving like crazy to have this done in the spring! And now that I know you a tad better, I'd say that when you read the reviews and look at the gains, you'll be getting this too!

C'mon, let me at least put you on the list of supporters...

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[WoRkZ]

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Woaw, their EVO reflash is pricey... 499$!

Anyway, here's the lowdown on it:

Originally Posted by WORKS

Our brains control our vitals. An EVO's ECU is no different. There is no single more valuable tool available to any tuner than the ability to access the car's brain and reprogram it to perform to its fullest potential -- especially after tuning parts have been integrated into the system. No piggy-back add-ons that intercept and falsify signals to the factory ECU and no standalone engine management systems compromising Mitsubishi safety functionality. The WORKS Brain Flash is the factory ECU that has been reprogrammed with WORKS Performance Software optimizing all applicable maps including the air/fuel ratios, ignition timing, and calculated rev limit. WORKS was the very first EVO tuner in the U.S. to reprogram the factory ECU. Our Software Engineers have been dissassembling U.S. EVO VIII code since April '03 and have software control unparalled in the industry. With the Brain Flash P1, expect a 20+ HP peak gain but more importantly a broad, usable, power curve with no other modifications that is very safe and reliable. In addition, expect smoother drivability and improved gas mileage. Nothing comes close to the plug-and-play performance and reliability of the WORKS Brain Flash.

The ECU can be reprogrammed back to stock if necessary and, of course, is backed by our Factory Matched Warranty.

ECU options: 91 octane, 93 octane.

I hope the reflash for the RA will be a lot more affordable than this...

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[AdamRA]

Lets say there is a problem then you will be putting your head between your legs and kissing your warranty good bye.

[WoRkZ]

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Actually, here's another quote from the WORKS site:

Originally Posted by WORKS

Factory-Matched Warranty

What do you say to that?

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[AdamRA]

You test it out workz.

[WoRkZ]

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Deal! If the price is right and the numbers are there, I'll be "testing it out" in the spring (which gives me time to actually come up with the money)... and of course writing a full review afterwards.

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[chowetime]

That is terrific news to be able to get a company that is interested in helping out N/A cars... but I very much doubt that you will see gains of 30hp... but it would be good... a question you should ask yourself is: Is this all the mods I ever want to do to my car ? reason why is that if you do another mod you will need to get the ECU re-flashed and at another cost of $600... $600 is not too bad considering the time that this company is spending on R&D plus the other reason for not making it a download file/disk is that you could resell it to your mates.... you may also find that if you do get the ECU remapped after buying another lot of mods that you will not be able to sell the one in there that you had done the first time because all entries made to the ECU will be password protected... it is something that we are finding a lot of tuning houses here are doing this is to prevent the owner of the car tampering or copying the tune

I still think that with the price of the GReddy these days that they make the best bang for buck this is in fact one of the first mods I will be getting done to mine it is these days for RPW about a 2 hour install and it should take no longer than 2 hours for tuning at all rpm points and gear changes not just a broad spectrum like the reflash will do

[ModernRacer]

Ok OK guys, you all need to just relax on this subject, i have been looking into this long before anyone has posted this on here, there is absolutly no way to reflash the stock ECU because Mitsu locks the ECU's with a special code that for the most part, generic OBDII and Laptop softeare cannot crack, Mitsu has designed the ECU this way on the Ralliart and the OZ beacause these car's to them are NOT performance car's, unlike the EVO and the STI where they are full out perfomance vehicles, there is a big market for thoese cars and for perfomance parts and electronics. I have a very good friend on mine that is a Electronics Specialist that works for Delphi Canada and i spoke to him a while back, and he had a look my ECU on my Ralliart, and him of all people, who is a Wiz when it comes to ECU programming couldn't unlock the code to the ECU. So for all of you who want to beleve that some company will come out with somthing to be able to promise you more HP & torque on the stock ECU, don't beleve it unless your driving an EVO or STI. The only way to get real flexability is to go stand alone, i have seen first hand what the AEM EMS will do and it's amazing. So that's my 2 cents!


Sorry Workz to hyjack your post but i thought i would shed a little truth on the subject.

[blk-majik]

What do you mean by 'lock'? How was he trying to interface the ECU? Through the obd2? Or did he actually unsocket the chip and read the flash to a PC?

The programming extentions to the obd2 interface dont exist. There probably isnt any way to unlock that. But if you overwrite the chip's contents, any software locks go away as well (unless its a lock stored on a different chip or in hardware, such as the expected hash value of the flash contents. bypassing this might require soldering, which would suck).

either way, I'm still blind to the guts of the ECU, as removing it is a pretty big task for one to do in the driveway =) I am interested in seeing what WORKS can do!

[AdamRA]

OBDII is a read only thing isn't it?

I think that WORKS would have already figured out by now that it couldn't be flashed.

[tenks03spyder]

Originally Posted by ModernRacer

Ok OK guys, you all need to just relax on this subject, i have been looking into this long before anyone has posted this on here, there is absolutly no way to reflash the stock ECU because Mitsu locks the ECU's with a special code that for the most part, generic OBDII and Laptop softeare cannot crack, Mitsu has designed the ECU this way on the Ralliart and the OZ beacause these car's to them are NOT performance car's, unlike the EVO and the STI where they are full out perfomance vehicles, there is a big market for thoese cars and for perfomance parts and electronics. I have a very good friend on mine that is a Electronics Specialist that works for Delphi Canada and i spoke to him a while back, and he had a look my ECU on my Ralliart, and him of all people, who is a Wiz when it comes to ECU programming couldn't unlock the code to the ECU. So for all of you who want to beleve that some company will come out with somthing to be able to promise you more HP & torque on the stock ECU, don't beleve it unless your driving an EVO or STI. The only way to get real flexability is to go stand alone, i have seen first hand what the AEM EMS will do and it's amazing. So that's my 2 cents!


Sorry Workz to hyjack your post but i thought i would shed a little truth on the subject.

You don't know as much about these ecu's as you think. The ecu can be reflashed with the mut-II tool all you need is the new file but in order to change things you need to know what each things does in the file . I suspect it's the same on all of there ecu's. No one has ever bothered to spend the time to crack the proprietary code for these other cars because there is not a huge market for the product.