help with my quest for turbo please :)

[soulesswarrior]

After having my car for awhile now and been in the air on what route I wanna go with it, I have started to find great deals on turbo items, and I am wanting to creat a custom kit, I have found a after market new eclipse (for a 4g63 model) with manifold for super cheap, was going to try an get this turbo then adapt the manifold to fit the ralliart, my question is what all will I need? I know the basics
Turbo
Manifold
Intercooler
Piggyback
Oil lines
BOV
Wastegate

But what am I missing? Should I also get one of those walbero(sorry prob misspelled) fuel pumps an some wrx injectors or go with 5th injector? Any help would be greatly apreciated

[ridenrunwv]

Can't think of much else you would need but I have heard only bad things about a 5th injector and keep in mind I am not speaking from personal experience but I know I would definatley upgrade injectors and not mess with the 5th injector if it were me. It might be a bit of an extra expense but from what I have heard it would be worth it. You will need intercooler pipes as well. And not sure how long a stock clutch will hold up with turbo. I'm sure a turbo guy will see my post and answer that one though.

[soulesswarrior]

I heard the WRX injectors would work an stock ones could be had cheap. As for the clutch I do plan to change it out after awhile, wanna get as much out of the one I have(pretty new replacement) and I'm not looking for a huge gain right now just to get the feel for building the kit then upgrade further later if that helps

[Ralliart_on_LSD]

buy an evo

[soulesswarrior]

Well if an evo was an option I'd own one >.<

Also lsd how much u asking for ur piggybacks

[soulesswarrior]

Also anyone know what size injectors should be used?

[Ralliart_on_LSD]

not selling the piggyback YET. i was going to re-do the fuel system and add a larger turbo, but my plan is just max out the RRM kit and see what it can do. after that i'll go stand alone and the wrx 440 injectors. but thats next years project. when the time comes i'll sell the piggyback. still need it tho.

[GearDownSon]

Off the top of my head i would say,Clutch,fuel pump,Spark plugs,IC piping,I would strongly suggest a wideband as well.

[hackish]

Piggybacks do not work correctly on the ralliart. You can't rely on them to work consistantly and without longterm problems. This is why I have worked so hard to develop a reflash - to address this problem. It is also not worth it to try adapting the 4G63 manifold to fit, just save up and get a proper turbo manifold.

[ROCK]

Originally Posted by hackish

So if your cave-front wanted to send some ecus to my cave-front then maybe you could sell a few NA flashes to your clients. I tried to call you about this 3 months ago but your cave-attendant must not have given you my cave-number.

-Michael

Do not misinform folks, please. As you posted in other forum, you really just want us to use your reflash. Hope this clears it up for folks. Heard about your antics on the 3G or 4G board too dissing RRE. Lets get things straight. Build your own kit top to bottom and do not refer to RRMs kits. It works great on dozens of RAs and 100s of regular Lancers. Just sell your stuff on its own merit and you will have a good business. Do not compare or dis our products or components. Thanks. That is all that needs to be said.

ROAD/RACE

[hackish]

Originally Posted by ROCK

Do not misinform folks, please. As you posted in other forum, you really just want us to use your reflash. Hope this clears it up for folks. Heard about your antics on the 3G or 4G board too dissing RRE. Lets get things straight. Build your own kit top to bottom and do not refer to RRMs kits. It works great on dozens of RAs and 100s of regular Lancers. Just sell your stuff on its own merit and you will have a good business. Do not compare or dis our products or components.

As most people know on here I've been working with the ralliart ECU for over a year. As far as I've seen I'm the only one in the world who has done the disassembly on this ECU. I've also described in painstaking detail why piggybacks do not work well with the ECU. That is a simple fact and you cannot change it. Every time a client has showed up with poorly running car and a pile of fuel and timing control boxes I've removed them all and made significantly more power with a single reflash. It really is a better solution.

It was up to you to return my many phone calls when I was faced with a barrage of dis-satisfied RRM customers who were on there 2nd and 3rd engines and unable to even make the advertised horsepower results. I told many of them that I'd contact you and see if you'd be interested in offering a RRM flash/injector upgrade. Instead you didn't even bother to call back.

It doesn't make a lot of difference to me if you buy my reflash or not. To you it represents a chance to provide a far better running kit at less cost. This means happier customers for you. I'll sell any supplier's products if it results in a good result and a happy customer.

For the 3G board, I'm not offering anything for 3G eclipse owners so if someone was on there criticising your stuff I don't think it was me. The 4G eclipse is another ECU that nobody else could reflash so I developed a reflash for it. Yes it's better than any piggyback. I think the one I criticized there was the AEM FIC. I know the engineers who developed that very well and I don't think that's you either. In any event I don't think a piggyback will allow those eclipse owners to raise their rev limiters. As far as I know I'm the only person in the world to offer a reflash for the 4G eclipse as well. Unfortunately the Koreans got theirs out for the Genesis before me so I can't claim that one too.

Get the point? I am happier developing reflashes for many different vehicles. I'm about technical correctness. Properly tested solutions. If you make something that doesn't work then expect to be criticised.

-Michael

[ROCK]

Hummmmmm.

ROCK

[Ralliart_on_LSD]

Originally Posted by hackish

As most people know on here I've been working with the ralliart ECU for over a year. As far as I've seen I'm the only one in the world who has done the disassembly on this ECU. I've also described in painstaking detail why piggybacks do not work well with the ECU. That is a simple fact and you cannot change it. Every time a client has showed up with poorly running car and a pile of fuel and timing control boxes I've removed them all and made significantly more power with a single reflash. It really is a better solution.

It was up to you to return my many phone calls when I was faced with a barrage of dis-satisfied RRM customers who were on there 2nd and 3rd engines and unable to even make the advertised horsepower results. I told many of them that I'd contact you and see if you'd be interested in offering a RRM flash/injector upgrade. Instead you didn't even bother to call back.

It doesn't make a lot of difference to me if you buy my reflash or not. To you it represents a chance to provide a far better running kit at less cost. This means happier customers for you. I'll sell any supplier's products if it results in a good result and a happy customer.

For the 3G board, I'm not offering anything for 3G eclipse owners so if someone was on there criticising your stuff I don't think it was me. The 4G eclipse is another ECU that nobody else could reflash so I developed a reflash for it. Yes it's better than any piggyback. I think the one I criticized there was the AEM FIC. I know the engineers who developed that very well and I don't think that's you either. In any event I don't think a piggyback will allow those eclipse owners to raise their rev limiters. As far as I know I'm the only person in the world to offer a reflash for the 4G eclipse as well. Unfortunately the Koreans got theirs out for the Genesis before me so I can't claim that one too.

Get the point? I am happier developing reflashes for many different vehicles. I'm about technical correctness. Properly tested solutions. If you make something that doesn't work then expect to be criticised.

-Michael

focusing more on the last sentence of that quote. "If you make something that doesn't work then expect to be criticised." I had my RRM turbo kit IN STOCK FORM for about 2 years. during them 2 years, the car ran like a beast. one of the fastest daily driven imports in my area. car was fast and reliable. ON THE STOCK TUNE. it wasnt until my dumbass got greedy and wanted more horsepower on a stock bottom end before i blew the motor up...

I for one, and i know MANY OTHERS, can vouch and say the RRM turbo kit DOES work. sorry to bust your bubble. I know of about 5-7 turbo ralliarts off the top of my head that have this RRM turbo kit. every single one of them are still happy, driving their car on a daily basis.

now I'm not going to get any more involved in this "lovers quarrell" as a should. I'm not a mechanic or a computer tech. All I am is a happy and satisfied customer of RRM. if i see a good company's name getting thrown and dragged into the mud, i gotta stand by them. RRM will be getting more business from me in the future.. they do good work. no. GREAT work.

And its common sense than this guy has a problem with RRM. everything from his signature, to his comment about "the cave front selling his product" or whatever...

good luck with your product, but dont go bashing a good business name, just because they wont colaborate with you.

[hackish]

Originally Posted by Ralliart_on_LSD

And its common sense than this guy has a problem with RRM. everything from his signature, to his comment about "the cave front selling his product" or whatever...

good luck with your product, but dont go bashing a good business name, just because they wont colaborate with you.

See the other thread to understand where the caveman jokes came from. Rock himself (see post #94) said it was funny. Caveman stuff is just us kidding back and forth.

I'm happy that you've had good luck with your turbo kit. I, on the other hand get a call a week from people who have had fuel trim problems, persistant check engine problems and engines blowing up. I'm sure there are many very satisfied clients, but there are some who have had no luck in solving their problems. I've worked hard to develop a reflash unit so these people can solve their problems. That's all.

In my mind it would have made the most sense for RRM to do a reflash and solve all these problems. It was more of a friendly offer made to them as I was offering it up for their clients and wouldn't have really made any money off the system.

I don't think it is dragging someone elses name through the mud to say that a 5th injector is a bad solution. It is a bad solution. It's all they had at the time so they went with it. Fine. I think when you look at the technical argument you have no choice but to see things from that point of view.

-Michael

[OttRalliart05]

Originally Posted by ROCK

Do not misinform folks, please. As you posted in other forum, you really just want us to use your reflash. Hope this clears it up for folks. Heard about your antics on the 3G or 4G board too dissing RRE. Lets get things straight. Build your own kit top to bottom and do not refer to RRMs kits. It works great on dozens of RAs and 100s of regular Lancers. Just sell your stuff on its own merit and you will have a good business. Do not compare or dis our products or components. Thanks. That is all that needs to be said.

ROAD/RACE

He is building a turbo kit top to bottom on my car....I have raced (at the local drag track your kit) and it was not in your favor.....careful what you wish for....